In article <alpine.DEB.2.11.1601041819480.20681@Lydia.insomnia247.nl>, wirklich@nicht.at says...> > On December 31st, 2015, Philipp Nicholas Krause sent: > |---------------------------------------------------------------------------| > |"[. . .] | > | | > |Well, I can't access "Referees Often Miss Obvious Errors in Computer and | > |Electronic Publications" either from home or from Goethe-Universit�t | > |Frankfurt. | > |However it seems from WWW.FPGA-FAQ.com/archives/130600.html#130610 that | > |this is just about some software quality issue. So afr, I'm not using | > |any software from STMicroelectronics. I use their STM8 hardware. And | > |write my own software for it, and use software others wrote for it. The | > |STM8 architecture is not perfect, but IMO still a really good architecture.| > | | > |Philipp" | > |---------------------------------------------------------------------------| > > > Hi: > > I was motivated to type this paper after we discovered a bug in > software from STMicroelectronics for designing NoC (on-chip-network) > hardware (and after finding mistakes in documentation by > STMicroelectronics and after finding lack of HDL skill of > STMicroelectronics). I recently looked at a non-8-bit not specifically > NoC document from STMicroelectronics, and it had an error. If you > would have a product from STMicroelectronics which would work and > which you would be happy with, then be happy, but I would not blindly > trust a datasheet. >So you found mistakes in documentation, grow up, they happen all the time and I bet any documentation or software you will produce will have mistakes in. What matters is corrective action. I have seen many occurences, from one piece of bad documentation meant it was possible to fry chips in certain modes, to another where I gave lengthy feedback and the datasheet was updated with an ADDITIONAL 12 pages and other corrections made. Often it is better to work WITH people than against them. -- Paul Carpenter | paul@pcserviceselectronics.co.uk <http://www.pcserviceselectronics.co.uk/> PC Services <http://www.pcserviceselectronics.co.uk/pi/> Raspberry Pi Add-ons <http://www.pcserviceselectronics.co.uk/fonts/> Timing Diagram Font <http://www.badweb.org.uk/> For those web sites you hate
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On 2016-01-05, Paul <paul@pcserviceselectronics.co.uk> wrote:> So you found mistakes in documentation, grow up, they happen all the > time and I bet any documentation or software you will produce will > have mistakes in. What matters is corrective action.Yep. I've found mistakes in documentation for almost all the parts I've ever used. Some of the user manuals are 1000+ pages long: of course there are mistakes. I've found mistakes in the parts themselves quite a few times as well. It sometimes takes a long time to convince the vendor that something's wrong with a part, but in my experience they'll come around provided detailed evidence. -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwards Yow! Everybody is going at somewhere!! It's probably gmail.com a garage sale or a disaster Movie!!
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On January 5th, 2016, Paul Carpenter sent: |-----------------------------------------------------------------------| |"[. . .] | | | |So you found mistakes in documentation, grow up, they happen all the | |time and I bet any documentation or software you will produce will have| |mistakes in. What matters is corrective action. | | | |I have seen many occurences, from one piece of bad documentation meant | |it was possible to fry chips in certain modes, to another where I gave | |lengthy feedback and the datasheet was updated with an ADDITIONAL 12 | |pages and other corrections made. | | | |Often it is better to work WITH people than against them. | | | |-- | |Paul Carpenter | paul@pcserviceselectronics.co.uk " | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------| During the previous decade I reported a mistake in documentation to STMicroelectronics therefore instead of deciding to simply add a correction, STMicroelectronics threatened to sue us. Grow up. Thy sincerely, Paul Colin Gloster
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On 1/5/2016 12:05 PM, Nicholas Collin Paul de Gloucester wrote:> On January 5th, 2016, Paul Carpenter sent: > |-----------------------------------------------------------------------| > |"[. . .] | > | | > |So you found mistakes in documentation, grow up, they happen all the | > |time and I bet any documentation or software you will produce will have| > |mistakes in. What matters is corrective action. | > | | > |I have seen many occurences, from one piece of bad documentation meant | > |it was possible to fry chips in certain modes, to another where I gave | > |lengthy feedback and the datasheet was updated with an ADDITIONAL 12 | > |pages and other corrections made. | > | | > |Often it is better to work WITH people than against them. | > | | > |-- | > |Paul Carpenter | paul@pcserviceselectronics.co.uk " | > |-----------------------------------------------------------------------| > > During the previous decade I reported a mistake in documentation to > STMicroelectronics therefore instead of deciding to simply add a > correction, STMicroelectronics threatened to sue us. Grow up.Can you post the letter? Exactly what did they want to sue you for? Was there a confidentiality agreement that would have been abrogated? -- Rick
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On 2016-01-05, Nicholas Collin Paul de Gloucester <wirklich@nicht.at> wrote:> During the previous decade I reported a mistake in documentation to > STMicroelectronics therefore instead of deciding to simply add a > correction, STMicroelectronics threatened to sue us. Grow up.STM threatened to sue you for reporting an STM documentation error to STM? That's a little hard to believe... Or did you show to world+dog something from a confidential document that was provided to you under an NDA? I can understand how that might provoke a letter from the lawyers. -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwards Yow! HOORAY, Ronald!! at Now YOU can marry LINDA gmail.com RONSTADT too!!
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On January 5th, 2016, Grant Edwards sent: |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------| |"On 2016-01-05, Nicholas Collin Paul de Gloucester <wirklich@nicht.at> wrote:| | | |> During the previous decade I reported a mistake in documentation to | |> STMicroelectronics therefore instead of deciding to simply add a | |> correction, STMicroelectronics threatened to sue us. Grow up. | | | |STM threatened to sue you for reporting an STM documentation error to | |STM?" | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------| Precisely. |----------------------------------------------------------------------------| |"That's a little hard to believe..." | |----------------------------------------------------------------------------| It really happened. |----------------------------------------------------------------------------| |"Or did you show to world+dog something from a confidential document | |that was provided to you under an NDA?" | |----------------------------------------------------------------------------| No. This error was provided to me under an NDA and I reported it to STMicroelectronics without violating this NDA. |----------------------------------------------------------------------------| |"I can understand how that | |might provoke a letter from the lawyers. | | | |-- | |Grant Edwards grant.b.edwards Yow! HOORAY, Ronald!! | |at Now YOU can marry LINDA | |gmail.com RONSTADT too!!" | |----------------------------------------------------------------------------| Thou hast more understanding than STMicroelectronics demonstrated this time. Regards, Paul Colin Gloster
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On 1/5/2016 1:11 PM, Nicholas Collin Paul de Gloucester wrote:> On January 5th, 2016, Grant Edwards sent: > |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------| > > |"On 2016-01-05, Nicholas Collin Paul de Gloucester <wirklich@nicht.at> > wrote:| > | > | > |> During the previous decade I reported a mistake in documentation > to | > |> STMicroelectronics therefore instead of deciding to simply add > a | > |> correction, STMicroelectronics threatened to sue us. Grow > up. | > | > | > |STM threatened to sue you for reporting an STM documentation error > to | > |STM?" > | > |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------| > > > Precisely. > > |----------------------------------------------------------------------------| > > |"That's a little hard to > believe..." | > |----------------------------------------------------------------------------| > > > It really happened. > > |----------------------------------------------------------------------------| > > |"Or did you show to world+dog something from a confidential > document | > |that was provided to you under an > NDA?" | > |----------------------------------------------------------------------------| > > > No. This error was provided to me under an NDA and I reported it to > STMicroelectronics without violating this NDA. > > |----------------------------------------------------------------------------| > > |"I can understand how > that | > |might provoke a letter from the > lawyers. | > | > | > |-- > | > |Grant Edwards grant.b.edwards Yow! HOORAY, > Ronald!! | > |at Now YOU can marry > LINDA | > |gmail.com RONSTADT > too!!" | > |----------------------------------------------------------------------------| > > > Thou hast more understanding than STMicroelectronics demonstrated this > time.What exactly was a threat about? Are you sure it wasn't a protective order rather than a threat of a law suit? -- Rick
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On January 5th, 2016, Rickman sent: |-------------------------------------------------------------------------| |"Can you post the letter?" | |-------------------------------------------------------------------------| Hi: No - it was a telephone call to a then boss. |-------------------------------------------------------------------------| |"Exactly what did they want to sue you for?" | |-------------------------------------------------------------------------| NDA so-called violation but STMicroelectronics did not get very far with this because there was no NDA violation. |-------------------------------------------------------------------------| |"Was | |there a confidentiality agreement that would have been abrogated? | | | |-- | | | |Rick" | |-------------------------------------------------------------------------| There was an NDA in force at the time. It went out of force many years later. Regards, Paul Colin Gloster
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On 1/5/2016 1:17 PM, Nicholas Collin Paul de Gloucester wrote:> On January 5th, 2016, Rickman sent: > |-------------------------------------------------------------------------| > |"Can you post the letter?" | > |-------------------------------------------------------------------------| > > Hi: > > No - it was a telephone call to a then boss. > > |-------------------------------------------------------------------------| > |"Exactly what did they want to sue you for?" | > |-------------------------------------------------------------------------| > > NDA so-called violation but STMicroelectronics did not get very far > with this because there was no NDA violation. > > |-------------------------------------------------------------------------| > |"Was | > |there a confidentiality agreement that would have been abrogated? | > | | > |-- | > | | > |Rick" | > |-------------------------------------------------------------------------| > > There was an NDA in force at the time. It went out of force many years > later.Ok, so an over-zealous lawyer called your boss and said something about not violating an NDA. What were they saying *was* a violation or what were they *warning* you about? So far none of this makes much sense, mostly because you keep leaving out important information, the crux of the matter. -- Rick
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On January 5th, 2016, Rickman sent: |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------| |"On 1/5/2016 1:17 PM, Nicholas Collin Paul de Gloucester wrote: | |> On January 5th, 2016, Rickman sent: | |> |-------------------------------------------------------------------------|| |> |"Can you post the letter?" || |> |-------------------------------------------------------------------------|| |> | |> Hi: | |> | |> No - it was a telephone call to a then boss. | |> | |> |-------------------------------------------------------------------------|| |> |"Exactly what did they want to sue you for?" || |> |-------------------------------------------------------------------------|| |> | |> NDA so-called violation but STMicroelectronics did not get very far | |> with this because there was no NDA violation. | |> | |> |-------------------------------------------------------------------------|| |> |"Was || |> |there a confidentiality agreement that would have been abrogated? || |> | || |> |-- || |> | || |> |Rick" || |> |-------------------------------------------------------------------------|| |> | |> There was an NDA in force at the time. It went out of force many years | |> later. | | | |Ok, so an over-zealous lawyer" | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------| He was not a lawyer. |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------| |"called your boss and said something about not | |violating an NDA. What were they saying *was* a violation" | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------| I was told that he incorrectly supposedly asserted that we had this document by violating an NDA. |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------| |"or what were they | |*warning* you about? | | | |So far none of this makes much sense, mostly because you keep leaving out | |important information, the crux of the matter. | | | |-- | | | |Rick" | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------| What STMicroelectronics did did not make sense. The crux of this matter is that STMicroelectronics was too lacking of intelligence to be an engineering company. Regards, Paul Colin Gloster
