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Started by Philipp Klaus Krause December 26, 2015
In article <alpine.DEB.2.11.1601041819480.20681@Lydia.insomnia247.nl>, 
wirklich@nicht.at says...
> > On December 31st, 2015, Philipp Nicholas Krause sent: > |---------------------------------------------------------------------------| > |"[. . .] | > | | > |Well, I can't access "Referees Often Miss Obvious Errors in Computer and | > |Electronic Publications" either from home or from Goethe-Universit&#2013265924;t | > |Frankfurt. | > |However it seems from WWW.FPGA-FAQ.com/archives/130600.html#130610 that | > |this is just about some software quality issue. So afr, I'm not using | > |any software from STMicroelectronics. I use their STM8 hardware. And | > |write my own software for it, and use software others wrote for it. The | > |STM8 architecture is not perfect, but IMO still a really good architecture.| > | | > |Philipp" | > |---------------------------------------------------------------------------| > > > Hi: > > I was motivated to type this paper after we discovered a bug in > software from STMicroelectronics for designing NoC (on-chip-network) > hardware (and after finding mistakes in documentation by > STMicroelectronics and after finding lack of HDL skill of > STMicroelectronics). I recently looked at a non-8-bit not specifically > NoC document from STMicroelectronics, and it had an error. If you > would have a product from STMicroelectronics which would work and > which you would be happy with, then be happy, but I would not blindly > trust a datasheet. >
So you found mistakes in documentation, grow up, they happen all the time and I bet any documentation or software you will produce will have mistakes in. What matters is corrective action. I have seen many occurences, from one piece of bad documentation meant it was possible to fry chips in certain modes, to another where I gave lengthy feedback and the datasheet was updated with an ADDITIONAL 12 pages and other corrections made. Often it is better to work WITH people than against them. -- Paul Carpenter | paul@pcserviceselectronics.co.uk <http://www.pcserviceselectronics.co.uk/> PC Services <http://www.pcserviceselectronics.co.uk/pi/> Raspberry Pi Add-ons <http://www.pcserviceselectronics.co.uk/fonts/> Timing Diagram Font <http://www.badweb.org.uk/> For those web sites you hate
On 2016-01-05, Paul <paul@pcserviceselectronics.co.uk> wrote:

> So you found mistakes in documentation, grow up, they happen all the > time and I bet any documentation or software you will produce will > have mistakes in. What matters is corrective action.
Yep. I've found mistakes in documentation for almost all the parts I've ever used. Some of the user manuals are 1000+ pages long: of course there are mistakes. I've found mistakes in the parts themselves quite a few times as well. It sometimes takes a long time to convince the vendor that something's wrong with a part, but in my experience they'll come around provided detailed evidence. -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwards Yow! Everybody is going at somewhere!! It's probably gmail.com a garage sale or a disaster Movie!!
On January 5th, 2016, Paul Carpenter sent:
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|So you found mistakes in documentation, grow up, they happen all the   |
|time and I bet any documentation or software you will produce will have|
|mistakes in. What matters is corrective action.                        |
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|I have seen many occurences, from one piece of bad documentation meant |
|it was possible to fry chips in certain modes, to another where I gave |
|lengthy feedback and the datasheet was updated with an ADDITIONAL 12   |
|pages and other corrections made.                                      |
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|Often it is better to work WITH people than against them.              |
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|Paul Carpenter          | paul@pcserviceselectronics.co.uk "           |
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During the previous decade I reported a mistake in documentation to
STMicroelectronics therefore instead of deciding to simply add a
correction, STMicroelectronics threatened to sue us. Grow up.

Thy sincerely,
Paul Colin Gloster
On 1/5/2016 12:05 PM, Nicholas Collin Paul de Gloucester wrote:
> On January 5th, 2016, Paul Carpenter sent: > |-----------------------------------------------------------------------| > |"[. . .] | > | | > |So you found mistakes in documentation, grow up, they happen all the | > |time and I bet any documentation or software you will produce will have| > |mistakes in. What matters is corrective action. | > | | > |I have seen many occurences, from one piece of bad documentation meant | > |it was possible to fry chips in certain modes, to another where I gave | > |lengthy feedback and the datasheet was updated with an ADDITIONAL 12 | > |pages and other corrections made. | > | | > |Often it is better to work WITH people than against them. | > | | > |-- | > |Paul Carpenter | paul@pcserviceselectronics.co.uk " | > |-----------------------------------------------------------------------| > > During the previous decade I reported a mistake in documentation to > STMicroelectronics therefore instead of deciding to simply add a > correction, STMicroelectronics threatened to sue us. Grow up.
Can you post the letter? Exactly what did they want to sue you for? Was there a confidentiality agreement that would have been abrogated? -- Rick
On 2016-01-05, Nicholas Collin Paul de Gloucester <wirklich@nicht.at> wrote:

> During the previous decade I reported a mistake in documentation to > STMicroelectronics therefore instead of deciding to simply add a > correction, STMicroelectronics threatened to sue us. Grow up.
STM threatened to sue you for reporting an STM documentation error to STM? That's a little hard to believe... Or did you show to world+dog something from a confidential document that was provided to you under an NDA? I can understand how that might provoke a letter from the lawyers. -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwards Yow! HOORAY, Ronald!! at Now YOU can marry LINDA gmail.com RONSTADT too!!
On January 5th, 2016, Grant Edwards sent:
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|> During the previous decade I reported a mistake in documentation to        |
|> STMicroelectronics therefore instead of deciding to simply add a           |
|> correction, STMicroelectronics threatened to sue us. Grow up.              |
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|STM threatened to sue you for reporting an STM documentation error to        |
|STM?"                                                                        |
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Precisely.

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|"That's a little hard to believe..."                                        |
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It really happened.

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|"Or did you show to world+dog something from a confidential document        |
|that was provided to you under an NDA?"                                     |
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No. This error was provided to me under an NDA and I reported it to
STMicroelectronics without violating this NDA.

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|"I can understand how that                                                  |
|might provoke a letter from the lawyers.                                    |
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|Grant Edwards               grant.b.edwards        Yow! HOORAY, Ronald!!    |
|at               Now YOU can marry LINDA                                    |
|gmail.com            RONSTADT too!!"                                        |
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Thou hast more understanding than STMicroelectronics demonstrated this
time.

Regards,
Paul Colin Gloster
On 1/5/2016 1:11 PM, Nicholas Collin Paul de Gloucester wrote:
> On January 5th, 2016, Grant Edwards sent: > |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------| > > |"On 2016-01-05, Nicholas Collin Paul de Gloucester <wirklich@nicht.at> > wrote:| > | > | > |> During the previous decade I reported a mistake in documentation > to | > |> STMicroelectronics therefore instead of deciding to simply add > a | > |> correction, STMicroelectronics threatened to sue us. Grow > up. | > | > | > |STM threatened to sue you for reporting an STM documentation error > to | > |STM?" > | > |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------| > > > Precisely. > > |----------------------------------------------------------------------------| > > |"That's a little hard to > believe..." | > |----------------------------------------------------------------------------| > > > It really happened. > > |----------------------------------------------------------------------------| > > |"Or did you show to world+dog something from a confidential > document | > |that was provided to you under an > NDA?" | > |----------------------------------------------------------------------------| > > > No. This error was provided to me under an NDA and I reported it to > STMicroelectronics without violating this NDA. > > |----------------------------------------------------------------------------| > > |"I can understand how > that | > |might provoke a letter from the > lawyers. | > | > | > |-- > | > |Grant Edwards grant.b.edwards Yow! HOORAY, > Ronald!! | > |at Now YOU can marry > LINDA | > |gmail.com RONSTADT > too!!" | > |----------------------------------------------------------------------------| > > > Thou hast more understanding than STMicroelectronics demonstrated this > time.
What exactly was a threat about? Are you sure it wasn't a protective order rather than a threat of a law suit? -- Rick
On January 5th, 2016, Rickman sent:
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Hi:

No - it was a telephone call to a then boss.

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NDA so-called violation but STMicroelectronics did not get very far
with this because there was no NDA violation.

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|there a confidentiality agreement that would have been abrogated?        |
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|Rick"                                                                    |
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There was an NDA in force at the time. It went out of force many years
later.

Regards,
Paul Colin Gloster
On 1/5/2016 1:17 PM, Nicholas Collin Paul de Gloucester wrote:
> On January 5th, 2016, Rickman sent: > |-------------------------------------------------------------------------| > |"Can you post the letter?" | > |-------------------------------------------------------------------------| > > Hi: > > No - it was a telephone call to a then boss. > > |-------------------------------------------------------------------------| > |"Exactly what did they want to sue you for?" | > |-------------------------------------------------------------------------| > > NDA so-called violation but STMicroelectronics did not get very far > with this because there was no NDA violation. > > |-------------------------------------------------------------------------| > |"Was | > |there a confidentiality agreement that would have been abrogated? | > | | > |-- | > | | > |Rick" | > |-------------------------------------------------------------------------| > > There was an NDA in force at the time. It went out of force many years > later.
Ok, so an over-zealous lawyer called your boss and said something about not violating an NDA. What were they saying *was* a violation or what were they *warning* you about? So far none of this makes much sense, mostly because you keep leaving out important information, the crux of the matter. -- Rick
On January 5th, 2016, Rickman sent:
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|> On January 5th, 2016, Rickman sent:                                        |
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|> |"Can you post the letter?"                                               ||
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|> No - it was a telephone call to a then boss.                               |
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|> |"Exactly what did they want to sue you for?"                             ||
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|> NDA so-called violation but STMicroelectronics did not get very far        |
|> with this because there was no NDA violation.                              |
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|> |there a confidentiality agreement that would have been abrogated?        ||
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|> |Rick"                                                                    ||
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|> There was an NDA in force at the time. It went out of force many years     |
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|Ok, so an over-zealous lawyer"                                               |
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He was not a lawyer.

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|"called your boss and said something about not                               |
|violating an NDA.  What were they saying *was* a violation"                  |
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I was told that he incorrectly supposedly asserted that we had this
document by violating an NDA.

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|"or what were they                                                           |
|*warning* you about?                                                         |
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|So far none of this makes much sense, mostly because you keep leaving out    |
|important information, the crux of the matter.                               |
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|Rick"                                                                        |
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What STMicroelectronics did did not make sense. The crux of this
matter is that STMicroelectronics was too lacking of intelligence to
be an engineering company.

Regards,
Paul Colin Gloster