On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 16:01:52 +0200, Anton Erasmus <nobody@spam.prevent.net> wrote:>On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 23:34:48 +0100, "Arie de Muynck" ><send.spam.to@spammer.org> wrote: > >>"James Beck" ... >>> Does anyone make a DECENT timing diagram editor? >>> I don't need any timing analysis, just some pretty graphics to help get >>> some information across to some techs that do not speak English very >>> well, and I'm sure the data will be needed for a manual as well. The >>> timings are in milliseconds, not ns and my googling has led to some >>> pretty expensive dead ends. >> >> >>I often use ASCII, fixed font: >> >> ________________________________ >>___| |_______ >> ____ >>__________________________| |____________ >> ________________ __ ___ ____ >>---<________________X__X___XXXXX____>------- >> >>0 1 2 2 3 4 >> >>0 signal starts tri-state >>1 turnon >>2 transition >>3 illegal / undefined >>4 goes tri-state >> >>Note the upper trace (enable) changes just before the result (tri-state on >>and off), etc. > >If one defines a nice TrueType font, then this approach can generate >very nice looking diagrams. >Here is a link to such a TrueType font. http://www.josephpalmer.com/etc-local/misc/xwave.zip Regards Anton Erasmus
Timing Diagram Editors
Started by ●February 16, 2005
Reply by ●February 18, 20052005-02-18
Reply by ●February 18, 20052005-02-18
<jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote:>It is pretty simple line drawings, BUT it has to a little more than draw >lines and such. The ability to specify exact positions on a timeline is >just about a must, or you spend hours doing manual editing of edges and >text. It is possible, but there are easier ways to do it and time is >money. The "timing analysis" part is pretty obvious if you have done a >look at what commercial products are out there. > > JimI wonder if (just thinking aloud) a Project Management / Critical Path Method, etc. program could be coerced into producing this kind of drawings? (Or produce some kind of output that could be converted into drawings?) They deal with the same type of constraints: "This action lasts at least such and such time", "This event must happen before that", "That event happens at time X" and so on. Roberto Waltman. [ Please reply to the group, return address is invalid ]
Reply by ●February 18, 20052005-02-18
"Anton Erasmus" ...> Here is a link to such a TrueType font. > http://www.josephpalmer.com/etc-local/misc/xwave.zipThanks! This looks really fine. Regards, Arie de Muynck
Reply by ●February 18, 20052005-02-18
In article <8itb11dioqlsc2iou69t218gqsbifm64jr@4ax.com>, usenet@rwaltman.net says...> <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote: > >It is pretty simple line drawings, BUT it has to a little more than draw > >lines and such. The ability to specify exact positions on a timeline is > >just about a must, or you spend hours doing manual editing of edges and > >text. It is possible, but there are easier ways to do it and time is > >money. The "timing analysis" part is pretty obvious if you have done a > >look at what commercial products are out there. > > > > Jim > > I wonder if (just thinking aloud) a Project Management / Critical Path > Method, etc. program could be coerced into producing this kind of > drawings? (Or produce some kind of output that could be converted into > drawings?) > They deal with the same type of constraints: "This action lasts at > least such and such time", "This event must happen before that", "That > event happens at time X" and so on. > > Roberto Waltman. > > [ Please reply to the group, > return address is invalid ] >Well, I had to actually try to get some work done on these diagrams today, and I still didn't find anything that looked decent. So, I broke down and used my CAD package to just sledge hammer some stuff together. It wasn't too bad using a fixed step rate to be equal to a fixed period of time. The only nice thing is that most of the information I need to convey can be presented on a 1000ms timeline with 2ms resolution. I just made a template and went to work. Jim
Reply by ●February 20, 20052005-02-20
What about using waveform editor built-in into Quartus software (Altera fpga, free)? Uzytkownik "James Beck" <jim@reallykillersystems.com> napisal w wiadomosci news:MPG.1c7d9524a9dae86b989ac9@news.west.earthlink.net...> > Does anyone make a DECENT timing diagram editor? > I don't need any timing analysis, just some pretty graphics to help get > some information across to some techs that do not speak English very > well, and I'm sure the data will be needed for a manual as well. The > timings are in milliseconds, not ns and my googling has led to some > pretty expensive dead ends. > > Jim >
Reply by ●February 21, 20052005-02-21
James Beck wrote:> > Does anyone make a DECENT timing diagram editor? > I don't need any timing analysis, just some pretty graphics to help get > some information across to some techs that do not speak English very > well, and I'm sure the data will be needed for a manual as well. The > timings are in milliseconds, not ns and my googling has led to some > pretty expensive dead ends. > > JimTiming Tool is pretty cool. I use it from time to time. It's a java applet so you use it online. It's really well done and free for the 'lite' version. www.timingtool.com Noel
Reply by ●February 23, 20052005-02-23
In article <1108651803.7e330bd69b9964cf91f0bc092ce3dd19@teranews>, Rufus V. Smith <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:> >"Matthew Kendall" <mdkendall@hotmail.com> wrote in message >news:KPVQd.412284$8l.378992@pd7tw1no... >> "James Beck" <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote... >> > Does anyone make a DECENT timing diagram editor? >> > I don't need any timing analysis, just some pretty >> > graphics to help get some information across to some >> > techs that do not speak English very well, and I'm >> > sure the data will be needed for a manual as well. >> >> Timing Designer from Chronology is the standard. >> http://www.chronology.com/index.asp >><SNIP>> >Actually, you can do some very decent timing diagrams with >Excel. Are you simply talking about square waves, a la logic >analyzer traces? > >I use data something like this, for example: ><SNIP> If you go to that great a length, you are better of programming in a real language like PostScript directly. Note that about everybody has a PostScript interpreter available in the guise of a printer driver or whatever. Examples of usage of this can be found on my site http://home.hccnet.nl/a.w.m.van.der.horst e.g. forthassembler.html (I'm doing opcode sheets with PostScript). It helps if you have exposure to stack based languages, (Forth). Postludes and preludes are a bit of magic, but you need not understand them anyway. (I don't.) The nice thing about a programmed approach is that you can easily tweak (e.g. change length of scale, filling in ms/scale etc.)> >RufusGroetjes Albert -- -- Albert van der Horst,Oranjestr 8,3511 RA UTRECHT,THE NETHERLANDS One man-hour to invent, One man-week to implement, One lawyer-year to patent.
Reply by ●February 24, 20052005-02-24
"Albert van der Horst" <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> wrote in message news:icd7gy.66n@spenarnc.xs4all.nl...> In article <1108651803.7e330bd69b9964cf91f0bc092ce3dd19@teranews>, > Rufus V. Smith <nospam@nospam.com> wrote: > > > >"Matthew Kendall" <mdkendall@hotmail.com> wrote in message > >news:KPVQd.412284$8l.378992@pd7tw1no... > >> "James Beck" <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote... > >> > Does anyone make a DECENT timing diagram editor? > >> > I don't need any timing analysis, just some pretty > >> > graphics to help get some information across to some > >> > techs that do not speak English very well, and I'm > >> > sure the data will be needed for a manual as well. > >> > >> Timing Designer from Chronology is the standard. > >> http://www.chronology.com/index.asp > >> > <SNIP> > > > >Actually, you can do some very decent timing diagrams with > >Excel. Are you simply talking about square waves, a la logic > >analyzer traces? > > > >I use data something like this, for example: > > > <SNIP> > > If you go to that great a length, you are better of programming > in a real language like PostScript directly. > Note that about everybody has a PostScript interpreter available > in the guise of a printer driver or whatever. > > Examples of usage of this can be found on my site > http://home.hccnet.nl/a.w.m.van.der.horst > e.g. forthassembler.html (I'm doing opcode sheets with PostScript). > It helps if you have exposure to stack based languages, (Forth). > > Postludes and preludes are a bit of magic, but you need not > understand them anyway. (I don't.) > > The nice thing about a programmed approach is that you can > easily tweak (e.g. change length of scale, filling in > ms/scale etc.) > > > > >Rufus > > Groetjes AlbertOn the other hand, for purposes of training, Excel has all the annotation tools as well for presentation of the graphs. So you can drag and drop call out balloons and line art to embellish the graph to your liking, which would be a lot more work if done programmatically. It all boils down to how much you have to do and how often and tools you are used to. Rufus
Reply by ●March 30, 20052005-03-30
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 22:37:14 GMT, James Beck <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote:> >Does anyone make a DECENT timing diagram editor? >I don't need any timing analysis, just some pretty graphics to help get >some information across to some techs that do not speak English very >well, and I'm sure the data will be needed for a manual as well. The >timings are in milliseconds, not ns and my googling has led to some >pretty expensive dead ends. > > JimYou need, like man, what you really need is TimeGen from Xfusion software. I had exactly the same requirement as you, and this is the tool you want. www.xfusionsoftware.com Steve ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =----
Reply by ●March 30, 20052005-03-30
In article <2kak41t2l16nqt5ctpp7hgt2rgfmvk586u@4ax.com>, Steve Krenek <steve.k@<no>mad.<spam>scientist.com> says...> On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 22:37:14 GMT, James Beck > <jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote: > > > > >Does anyone make a DECENT timing diagram editor? > >I don't need any timing analysis, just some pretty graphics to help get > >some information across to some techs that do not speak English very > >well, and I'm sure the data will be needed for a manual as well. The > >timings are in milliseconds, not ns and my googling has led to some > >pretty expensive dead ends. > > > > Jim > > You need, like man, what you really need is TimeGen from Xfusion > software. > I had exactly the same requirement as you, and this is the tool you > want. > > www.xfusionsoftware.com > > Steve >I actually downloaded the trial version of this one HOPING it would do what I wanted, but for some reason (now forgotten). I didn't like it/had a problem with it/it didn't do everything I needed. You know...... Jim