Bryan Hackney wrote:> I knew Emacs was the way to go since about 1989, because all the real > Unix programmers used it. But I can't tell you how to get started if you > don't have access to a guru.Use the following procedure to delete a word of text: Hold down shift, control, Q, then hit - and Y with your nose.
Recommendation for Code/Text Editor?
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On Wed, 25 May 2005 11:20:58 -0700, Scott Moore wrote:> Dave Hansen wrote: > >> I use CodeWright because it was the standard at a PPOE. Previously, I >> used BRIEF because it was a standard at another employer. Seeing that >> Borland has purchased both of these, then killed them through neglect, >> you might want to avoid my next choice (whatever it is). > > Codewright still exists under borland, its not bad, better than the > original. Has new age things like being able to right click an identifier > in the source and get all cross references, etc. > > I use old coderight, I didn't upgrade to Borlands because they broke the > Brief emulation in several places.Real men use Edlin Bob
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On Wed, 25 May 2005 11:39:35 -0700, Bob Stephens <roberts@dcxchol.com> wrote:>Real men use EdlinKevin was right, at least for systems supporting some kind of file system. It's teco. You can edit and hunt the wumpus at the same time. Of course, for truly serious editing under FAT systems, use DEBUG. You can edit pretty much everything under DOS, including boot sectors. Those folks talking about JAVA and Windows based editors make me want to rise (creak) up out of my rocking chair to club them with my cane. They presume tens of megabytes of code floating around just to get the environment set up for their editor. Why... the day was when I edited code in RAM using front panel switches and debugged using an AM radio by my side to "hear" which routines were being executed. Finger calluses from heavy use of the metal bat handle switches, like you might get playing guitar, was a hazard of the day. Assembly was a mental process, as you coded directly in machine code, of course. :) Jon
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Guy Macon wrote:> > > Bob Stephens wrote: > >>Real men use Edlin > > Realer men use copy con.No, no, vi or one of the many clones of it. I like especially elvis. Heinz -- Merokok dapat menyebabkan kanker, serangan jantung, impotensi dan gangguan kehamilan dan janin.
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On Wed, 25 May 2005 11:39:35 -0700, Bob Stephens <roberts@dcxchol.com> wrote: [...]> >Real men use EdlinFeh. "copy con: main.c" Or "cat > main.c" if you have cygwin or some U*IX. Regards, -=Dave -- Change is inevitable, progress is not.
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Jonathan Kirwan wrote:>Those folks talking about JAVA and Windows based editors make me want >to rise (creak) up out of my rocking chair to club them with my cane. >They presume tens of megabytes of code floating around just to get the >environment set up for their editor. Why... the day was when I edited >code in RAM using front panel switches and debugged using an AM radio >by my side to "hear" which routines were being executed. Finger >calluses from heavy use of the metal bat handle switches, like you >might get playing guitar, was a hazard of the day. Assembly was a >mental process, as you coded directly in machine code, of course.My computer ran on STEAM. And the mirrors were 2D and black-and-white back then, as can be clearly seen in any Marx Brothers film. Now I whistle into my phone at 56Kbps, doing the trellis encoding in my head. I can decode audio and video files in real-time, but decrypting PGP files without the key slows me down a bit...
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On Wed, 25 May 2005 20:57:04 +0000, Guy Macon <_see.web.page_@_www.guymacon.com_> wrote:>Jonathan Kirwan wrote: > >>Those folks talking about JAVA and Windows based editors make me want >>to rise (creak) up out of my rocking chair to club them with my cane. >>They presume tens of megabytes of code floating around just to get the >>environment set up for their editor. Why... the day was when I edited >>code in RAM using front panel switches and debugged using an AM radio >>by my side to "hear" which routines were being executed. Finger >>calluses from heavy use of the metal bat handle switches, like you >>might get playing guitar, was a hazard of the day. Assembly was a >>mental process, as you coded directly in machine code, of course. > >My computer ran on STEAM. And the mirrors were 2D and black-and-white >back then, as can be clearly seen in any Marx Brothers film. > >Now I whistle into my phone at 56Kbps, doing the trellis encoding >in my head. I can decode audio and video files in real-time, but >decrypting PGP files without the key slows me down a bit...Of course, I wasn't being tongue in cheek in my writing, Guy. I really did do all those things, exactly as stated, and had the calluses on the fingers, as well, from the bat handles. When I saw the IMSAI, with those wide, plastic switch handles, I knew immediately the value of them for my poor fingers! (I also forget to mention, of course, that I typed using 7 switches and a push button, at times.) Regarding your comment about modems, I really did whistle into the acoustic couplers to test communications! Honestly! Used to fit entire and useful programs into 256 bytes, back then. I was truly in "high cotton" when I got my 4k dynamic cards working. An operating system I've written and use today, in fact, requires only a few bytes of RAM per process, provides compile-time selection for cooperative or preemptive processes, sleep queues, semaphore queues, a choice between singly-linked or doubly-linked queues (space conservation in very desperate circumstances where every byte counts), various forms of messaging, store and forward ring networking, and does all this in less than 4k of code and works on most any of the small 8-bit chips I work on. Only three tiny modules need be written in assembly -- global interrupt disable/restore functions, RTC timer code if needed, and the core task switch (small, usually easy to write.) In any case, my point here is that it's not "tall tales." It's real, been there, done that kind of stuff. Jon
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On Wed, 25 May 2005 19:57:16 GMT, in msg <4294d7b2.541070875@news.aioe.org>, iddw@hotmail.com (Dave Hansen) wrote:>On Wed, 25 May 2005 11:39:35 -0700, Bob Stephens <roberts@dcxchol.com> >wrote: > >[...] >> >>Real men use Edlin > >Feh. "copy con: main.c"Whimp! "copy con: main.exe" (using the Alt-Key combinations for binary encoding...) ;-) -Zonn -- Zonn Moore Remove the ".AOL" from the Zektor, LLC email address to reply. www.zektor.com
