FM0 (bi-phase space) decoding!

In article <1145467634.879724.159030@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>, BobG
<bobgardner@aol.com> writes
>What's the gripe with the google reply feature? 

I think the other 8 people in this thread who would have helped you with
you technical query have told you. 

IT DOES NOT WORK in 99% of readers for Usenet. Google is unique in the
way it works only about 0.5% of the Usenet users use google. 

Now you appear to have been kill filed by the people you need help from
because you refuse to work in harmony with the people who could help
you. 

>You aren't supposed to
>reply to a message in the middle of a thread? The preferred reply
>method is to only add replies at the end of the thread? (This seems
>moot if the thread is sorted by date in the reader)

Your reader works differently to 99% of all the other news readers on
Usenet over the last 20 years. Either fit in with the millions of others
or go your own way and get no help. Simple choice really

The basic rules, yes there are rules in the charter and FAQ,  are

1 Quote the relevant parts of the message you are replying to. 
2 Do not top post
3 Be polite. 
4 Do not use HMTL
5 Only post binaries in binary NG/s
6 Follow the particular rules for the NG as laid out in the charter 
7 Post in the appro,priate NG
8 Do not cross post.


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CH:
I think the other 8 people in this thread who would have helped you
with
you technical query have told you.
===========================================
Now I'm really confused. I see 21 messages in the thread, and I only
posted once, so no one has told me anything yet except you.

To me it seems like this newsgroup is full of kids who are here to
learn from others and when someone asks a question (which they don't
know how to respond to), they start arguing on things which should not
be discussed in this newsgroup.

No matter the guy in need of reply was rude or polite, does it serve
the purpose of this newsgroup to argue on "how to post to newsgroups?"

P.S: My this message contributes to same thing I am complaining of, but
it was necessary and is essentially last one. No need to argue or
explain.

BobG wrote:
> CH:
> I think the other 8 people in this thread who would have helped you
> with
> you technical query have told you.
> ===========================================
> Now I'm really confused. I see 21 messages in the thread, and I only
> posted once, so no one has told me anything yet except you.
> 

He (Chris) has apparently mixed you up with the OP, who was also a 
google poster.  Even those of us with real newsreaders don't always pay 
attention...

The trouble is not to which messages you reply - you can add a reply 
anywhere you like in a thread.  The trouble is that google's interface 
is broken, so the "reply" button does not work correctly.  Cutting and 
pasting quotations (as you appear to have done) is perhaps better than 
nothing, but it's going to get very tedious for you after a while.  A 
better solution, lifted from CBFalconer's sig, is:


"If you want to post a followup via groups.google.com, don't use
  the broken "Reply" link at the bottom of the article.  Click on
  "show options" at the top of the article, then click on the
  "Reply" at the bottom of the article headers." - Keith Thompson
More details at: <http://cfaj.freeshell.org/google/>
Also see <http://www.safalra.com/special/googlegroupsreply/>

I started a post which left this group pointing their fingers right at
me , well I didn't want to deliberately hurt any one and wasn't
trying to be rude as well. Oh when your code does not work and you are
stuck with oscilloscope to figure out the reason for last break then
its very natural to lose control ;-)

Any how I hope that this thread would serve as a netiquette reference
rather FM0 decoding. As good as it gets!

Michael D_ wrote:
> To me it seems like this newsgroup is full of kids who are here to
> learn from others and when someone asks a question (which they don't
> know how to respond to), they start arguing on things which should not
> be discussed in this newsgroup.
> 

The "kids" who complain about netiquette are the people who have been 
working with embedded systems, and using Usenet, for years or decades. 
Most of the time we put up with the crap, but sometimes it boils over 
for one or more of the regulars.  Ali came to this newsgroup looking for 
help.  He was given some help for his questions, and some instruction on 
the way this newsgroup works.  He has repeatedly ignored all requests 
that he follow our style if he wants our help.  He started out ignorant 
- we help with ignorance in this group.  But by ignoring the help and 
suggestions he has passed through ignorance, obstinacy, rudeness, and 
his last post claiming "I hope that this thread would serve as a 
netiquette reference" would be obnoxious if it weren't so ironically funny.

> No matter the guy in need of reply was rude or polite, does it serve
> the purpose of this newsgroup to argue on "how to post to newsgroups?"
> 

I don't often get into this sort of thread, and I'd be much happier if 
it were not necessary.  But this group is important to many people, as a 
source of information and ideas, a discussion forum, a way to pass on 
knowledge, and a source of entertainment.  The regulars here don't want 
it clogged up with off-topic threads like this, but neither do they want 
it filled with meaningless snippets without context, or other such 
nonsense.  Remember, the people posting here are real people, with their 
likes and dislikes - if you want to come here and talk to us, then it 
seems reasonable to ask you to do so politely.

> P.S: My this message contributes to same thing I am complaining of, but
> it was necessary and is essentially last one. No need to argue or
> explain.
> 

In article <1145516633.717064.59460@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>,
Michael D_ <native.code@gmail.com> writes
>To me it seems like this newsgroup is full of kids who are here to
>learn from others and when someone asks a question (which they don't
>know how to respond to), they start arguing on things which should not
>be discussed in this newsgroup.

the argument was about the basic way of using the system to ask
questions

>No matter the guy in need of reply was rude or polite, does it serve
>the purpose of this newsgroup to argue on "how to post to newsgroups?"

Yes. Otherwise you end up with chaos. 

society only works because people follow the rules. What if people
decide at random what side of the road to drive on? 

What if some people decided "fuck you " was a good form of greeting when
the norm was "hello" 

What amazes me is when some one comes into a forum and is asked to
follow the rules the argue about it  with the very people who could help
them.

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In article <1145525960.109302.249450@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, Ali
<abdulrazaq@gmail.com> writes
>I started a post which left this group pointing their fingers right at
>me , well I didn't want to deliberately hurt any one and wasn't
>trying to be rude as well. 

You were, repeatedly after being told the correct format for this (and
in fact all the 45K odd) Newsgroups 

>Oh when your code does not work and you are
>stuck with oscilloscope to figure out the reason for last break then
>its very natural to lose control ;-)

No it's not. 
Using the correct format to ask questions would have got you the
answers. 

>Any how I hope that this thread would serve as a netiquette reference
>rather FM0 decoding. As good as it gets!

It has. You are a shining example of how not to do it. Your Nettiquette
is appalling.  

I suggest you get a new email address and start again as you have
managed to piss off a lot of people who would have otherwise helped you.  



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 Where and how I was rude? And as far as help is concern I have already
solved my problem and I'm hopeful I'll make that thing finish on
this weekend.

I wonder that because of f* google broken link problem  some people can
get so ridiculous , certainly I don't mean every one here specially
who have participated in this thread. But some do, as I was awarded
being a *PLONK* ! then no one came ahead to stop that kind of nonsense.
Is this the gentle way to react on f* google broken link problem?


David wrote:
>"I hope that this thread would serve as a netiquette reference" would be obnoxious if it weren't so ironically funny.

See the Chris post which includes in fact good guidelines for posting
and netiquettes.

Chris wrote:
>I suggest you get a new email address and start again as you have managed to piss off a lot of people who would have otherwise helped you.

So have many emails you have used so far?