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Its difficult to start firmware

Started by werty February 5, 2007
  No one has made a Buffallo monitor for the ARM .

  you cant start an ARM , its missing to much essential
 firmware .   Vendors want you to NOT  know their h/w
 so they steer you into a 50 MegaByte i.D.E. ,
  to keep you distracted , and detour you away from
  learning the essence of the ARM mcu .

 You must use a helper host PC , which burrys too many bugs,
 because you dont have hands on with h/w , you are running
  thru a host .

    Thats why Forth is stil argued at  COMP.LANG.FORTH.
  because the people in a hurry to develope h/w , know there
  is only one fast way .  and it is NOT software !!
    to operate the h/w imediately and with some s/w that does
  not distract you away from that h/w .

     I will give a free Op Sys for ARM , it has not text ,
  it boots in 0.1 second and has softkeys to program
 it in seconds .  you can create new code frags in
  3 seconds , test them in 5 seconds .

"werty" <werty@swissinfo.org> wrote in message 
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> > No one has made a Buffallo monitor for the ARM . > > you cant start an ARM , its missing to much essential > firmware . Vendors want you to NOT know their h/w > so they steer you into a 50 MegaByte i.D.E. , > to keep you distracted , and detour you away from > learning the essence of the ARM mcu . > > You must use a helper host PC , which burrys too many bugs, > because you dont have hands on with h/w , you are running > thru a host . > > Thats why Forth is stil argued at COMP.LANG.FORTH. > because the people in a hurry to develope h/w , know there > is only one fast way . and it is NOT software !! > to operate the h/w imediately and with some s/w that does > not distract you away from that h/w . > > I will give a free Op Sys for ARM , it has not text , > it boots in 0.1 second and has softkeys to program > it in seconds . you can create new code frags in > 3 seconds , test them in 5 seconds .
If you spent more time coding and less time telling us what the code will do then you'll get it finished a lot sooner. Perhaps you should switch to decaff and it might help your concentration?
> No one has made a Buffallo monitor for the ARM .
That's because buffalos don't need monitoring. And I don't follow the rest of your gibberish either.
> I will give a free Op Sys for ARM , it has not text , > it boots in 0.1 second and has softkeys to program > it in seconds .
Ok, cowboy. Pay up. Exactly WHEN will you give this free Op Sys? It's easy to *say* you'll do something. But to never *do* it just makes you a kook. JJS
werty wrote:
> No one has made a Buffallo monitor for the ARM . > > you cant start an ARM , its missing to much essential > firmware . Vendors want you to NOT know their h/w > so they steer you into a 50 MegaByte i.D.E. , > to keep you distracted , and detour you away from > learning the essence of the ARM mcu .
Then write a monitor for it in assembly code. Then write upload and download utilities. Then write your operating system. I shouldn't have to be telling you this because you already made it clear that you're a better and smarter programmer than me. There, I fed the troll. Sorry.
Tom Lucas wrote:
> "werty" <werty@swissinfo.org> wrote in message >
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>> >> I will give a free Op Sys for ARM , it has not text , >> it boots in 0.1 second and has softkeys to program >> it in seconds . you can create new code frags in >> 3 seconds , test them in 5 seconds . > > If you spent more time coding and less time telling us what the > code will do then you'll get it finished a lot sooner. Perhaps > you should switch to decaff and it might help your concentration?
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"CBFalconer" <cbfalconer@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
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> Tom Lucas wrote: >> "werty" <werty@swissinfo.org> wrote in message >> > ... snip ... >>> >>> I will give a free Op Sys for ARM , it has not text , >>> it boots in 0.1 second and has softkeys to program >>> it in seconds . you can create new code frags in >>> 3 seconds , test them in 5 seconds . >> >> If you spent more time coding and less time telling us what the >> code will do then you'll get it finished a lot sooner. Perhaps >> you should switch to decaff and it might help your concentration? > > -- > > +-------------------+ .:\:\:/:/:. > | PLEASE DO NOT F :.:\:\:/:/:.: > | FEED THE TROLLS | :=.' - - '.=: > | | '=(\ 9 9 /)=' > | Thank you, | ( (_) ) > | Management | /`-vvv-'\ > +-------------------+ / \ > | | @@@ / /|,,,,,|\ \ > | | @@@ /_// /^\ \\_\ > @x@@x@ | | |/ WW( ( ) )WW > \||||/ | | \| __\,,\ /,,/__ > \||/ | | | jgs (______Y______) > /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\//\/\\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ > ==============================================================
He's not a troll - he's the World's Greatest Systems Programmer ;-)
Tom Lucas wrote:
> "CBFalconer" <cbfalconer@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:45C79A4C.8D0597DD@yahoo.com... >> Tom Lucas wrote: >>> "werty" <werty@swissinfo.org> wrote in message >>> >> ... snip ... >>>> I will give a free Op Sys for ARM , it has not text , >>>> it boots in 0.1 second and has softkeys to program >>>> it in seconds . you can create new code frags in >>>> 3 seconds , test them in 5 seconds . >>> If you spent more time coding and less time telling us what the >>> code will do then you'll get it finished a lot sooner. Perhaps >>> you should switch to decaff and it might help your concentration? >> -- >> >> +-------------------+ .:\:\:/:/:. >> | PLEASE DO NOT F :.:\:\:/:/:.: >> | FEED THE TROLLS | :=.' - - '.=: >> | | '=(\ 9 9 /)=' >> | Thank you, | ( (_) ) >> | Management | /`-vvv-'\ >> +-------------------+ / \ >> | | @@@ / /|,,,,,|\ \ >> | | @@@ /_// /^\ \\_\ >> @x@@x@ | | |/ WW( ( ) )WW >> \||||/ | | \| __\,,\ /,,/__ >> \||/ | | | jgs (______Y______) >> /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\//\/\\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ >> ============================================================== > > He's not a troll - he's the World's Greatest Systems Programmer ;-)
Befriend the bear, he'll chase the troll away.
On 5 Feb 2007 09:07:42 -0800, "werty" <werty@swissinfo.org> wrote:

> you cant start an ARM , its missing to much essential > firmware . Vendors want you to NOT know their h/w > so they steer you into a 50 MegaByte i.D.E. , > to keep you distracted , and detour you away from > learning the essence of the ARM mcu .
I thought people ran Linux and uClinux on ARM CPUs. They're free. I've heard it was done (Linux) on one project at my old job and saw it done (uClinux) first hand on another project. Figuring out how to use a JTAG debugger to burn the OS onto a bare flash of a new board is one of the fun parts. Vim is my IDE. :-)
BubbaGump wrote:
> On 5 Feb 2007 09:07:42 -0800, "werty" <werty@swissinfo.org> wrote: > >> you cant start an ARM , its missing to much essential >> firmware . Vendors want you to NOT know their h/w >> so they steer you into a 50 MegaByte i.D.E. , >> to keep you distracted , and detour you away from >> learning the essence of the ARM mcu . > > I thought people ran Linux and uClinux on ARM CPUs. They're free. > I've heard it was done (Linux) on one project at my old job and saw it > done (uClinux) first hand on another project. > > Figuring out how to use a JTAG debugger to burn the OS onto a bare > flash of a new board is one of the fun parts. > > Vim is my IDE. :-) >
GVim + ctags :-) (even on Windows !) Hns