roger_lynx schrieb:
>>> I want to interface a camera with the board but
lpc2103 memory is less.
>>> Could somebody please help in how to interface off chip flash memory then
load OS kenel into flash.Is this a good idea by the way.
>> The 2103 has no external bus.
>>
>>> Please help me I am just a begineer.
>> But you should be able to read the manual ?
>
> You think?
I thought. But seemed to be wrong.
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Hi Need help for my final year project IP camera..
Started by ●February 18, 2010
Reply by ●February 18, 20102010-02-18
Reply by ●February 18, 20102010-02-18
shipra schrieb:
> I am doing my final year of engineering 4th year last sem BTech ECE.
You are saying you were studying four years now ? Oh, god, if you did not
learn how to use a calculator and google by now you are in a big trouble.
What do they teach in ECE ?
> I thought of loading free RTOS or embedded linux if possible.
Did you by any chance _read_ the manual and search the internet about the
size of a Linux-kernel ? And where do you want it to load to ?
> Frankly telling I dont mind the performance so much that is not the criteria but simplicity and how fast it can be done.
Frankly, and no harm intended, go to the professor who gave you this
project and tell him frankly, that you do not have the faintest idea.
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> I am doing my final year of engineering 4th year last sem BTech ECE.
You are saying you were studying four years now ? Oh, god, if you did not
learn how to use a calculator and google by now you are in a big trouble.
What do they teach in ECE ?
> I thought of loading free RTOS or embedded linux if possible.
Did you by any chance _read_ the manual and search the internet about the
size of a Linux-kernel ? And where do you want it to load to ?
> Frankly telling I dont mind the performance so much that is not the criteria but simplicity and how fast it can be done.
Frankly, and no harm intended, go to the professor who gave you this
project and tell him frankly, that you do not have the faintest idea.
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Reply by ●February 18, 20102010-02-18
--- In l..., shipra garg wrote:
>
> Please could you suggest other method to do the same.
> Thanks
You are not going to run any version of Linux or uCLinux on a chip as small as the LPC2103.
You can run FreeRTOS if you really need an real-time OS but I'm not sure why you would need it.
You don't have any external memory bus with an LPC2103 so you can't connect a memory-mapped camera. You can connect a serial camera like http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~cmucam/
If you want to run Linux, get an ARM9 with a bunch of memory. The Hammer comes to mind: http://tincantools.com/product.php?productid133&cat=0&page=1&featured Or the Gumstix www.gumstix.com
Richard
>
> Please could you suggest other method to do the same.
> Thanks
You are not going to run any version of Linux or uCLinux on a chip as small as the LPC2103.
You can run FreeRTOS if you really need an real-time OS but I'm not sure why you would need it.
You don't have any external memory bus with an LPC2103 so you can't connect a memory-mapped camera. You can connect a serial camera like http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~cmucam/
If you want to run Linux, get an ARM9 with a bunch of memory. The Hammer comes to mind: http://tincantools.com/product.php?productid133&cat=0&page=1&featured Or the Gumstix www.gumstix.com
Richard
Reply by ●February 18, 20102010-02-18
--- In l..., 42Bastian wrote:
>
> shipra schrieb:
>
> > I am doing my final year of engineering 4th year last sem BTech ECE.
>
> You are saying you were studying four years now ? Oh, god, if you did not
> learn how to use a calculator and google by now you are in a big trouble.
Every time I see a question like this (final year project), I wonder what happened in the past 3 1/2 years.
Are Indian Colleges so much different than western colleges ??
Are Indian students so much different than western students ??
I know the OP will not be able to answer these questions,
but is there any one in India that can explain these things to the rest of the world !!
Thank You
Don
PS: Where the hell is BTech ECE ?????
Google found this: http://www.iitg.ernet.in/
>
> shipra schrieb:
>
> > I am doing my final year of engineering 4th year last sem BTech ECE.
>
> You are saying you were studying four years now ? Oh, god, if you did not
> learn how to use a calculator and google by now you are in a big trouble.
Every time I see a question like this (final year project), I wonder what happened in the past 3 1/2 years.
Are Indian Colleges so much different than western colleges ??
Are Indian students so much different than western students ??
I know the OP will not be able to answer these questions,
but is there any one in India that can explain these things to the rest of the world !!
Thank You
Don
PS: Where the hell is BTech ECE ?????
Google found this: http://www.iitg.ernet.in/
Reply by ●February 18, 20102010-02-18
On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 8:24 AM, Donald H wrote:
>> > I am doing my final year of engineering 4th year last sem BTech ECE.
>>
>> You are saying you were studying four years now ? Oh, god, if you did not
>> learn how to use a calculator and google by now you are in a big trouble.
>
> Every time I see a question like this (final year project), I wonder what happened
> in the past 3 1/2 years.
>
> Are Indian Colleges so much different than western colleges ??
> Are Indian students so much different than western students ??
>
> I know the OP will not be able to answer these questions,
> but is there any one in India that can explain these things to the
> rest of the world !!
Just my two cents...
I am in Singapore where we have quite some colleagues from
India. I think they are actually quite good. Sometimes I have
a bit problem to understand their accent but other than that
they are just as good as an engineer.
There are many colleges in India, especially engineering ones.
The percentages of engineering student in India (and China)
are much more than that in western world. So I am sure
there are students so that great. Actually sometimes it is
due to communication problems. In this case, I am not sure
though.
To be honest, I have seen clueless students
from other part of the world as well. And I was once a Teaching
Assistant in a top 50 US university (a public one), at the first
lesson, I asked the students to connect the HP/Agilent
DC power supply to get 30V output (something like
this: http://www.home.agilent.com/agilent/product.jspx?pn=e3631a,
where you have one +25 and one -25V supply). Of the 30+
students, only a handful one could do this. They were 4th
Electrical Engineering students... I spent a lot of time
to teach them soldering and other basic knolwledge
like using the scopes and other instruments.
On the other hand, then I went to another private one,
the 4th year undergraduates seem to be much better.
So far, I have the best impressions with the continental
Europe students (especially Germany and Italy). They
have solid thretical background yet are also quite fast
in learning the pratical aspects of Engineering.
>
> PS: Where the hell is BTech ECE ?????
>
> Google found this: http://www.iitg.ernet.in/
http://www.iitg.ernet.in/ece/btech.htm
So it is similar to Bachelor of Science or Bachelor of Engineering
in other countries. And India Institude of Technology xxxxx are
the best Indian technological universities.
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Xiaofan http://mcuee.blogspot.com
>> > I am doing my final year of engineering 4th year last sem BTech ECE.
>>
>> You are saying you were studying four years now ? Oh, god, if you did not
>> learn how to use a calculator and google by now you are in a big trouble.
>
> Every time I see a question like this (final year project), I wonder what happened
> in the past 3 1/2 years.
>
> Are Indian Colleges so much different than western colleges ??
> Are Indian students so much different than western students ??
>
> I know the OP will not be able to answer these questions,
> but is there any one in India that can explain these things to the
> rest of the world !!
Just my two cents...
I am in Singapore where we have quite some colleagues from
India. I think they are actually quite good. Sometimes I have
a bit problem to understand their accent but other than that
they are just as good as an engineer.
There are many colleges in India, especially engineering ones.
The percentages of engineering student in India (and China)
are much more than that in western world. So I am sure
there are students so that great. Actually sometimes it is
due to communication problems. In this case, I am not sure
though.
To be honest, I have seen clueless students
from other part of the world as well. And I was once a Teaching
Assistant in a top 50 US university (a public one), at the first
lesson, I asked the students to connect the HP/Agilent
DC power supply to get 30V output (something like
this: http://www.home.agilent.com/agilent/product.jspx?pn=e3631a,
where you have one +25 and one -25V supply). Of the 30+
students, only a handful one could do this. They were 4th
Electrical Engineering students... I spent a lot of time
to teach them soldering and other basic knolwledge
like using the scopes and other instruments.
On the other hand, then I went to another private one,
the 4th year undergraduates seem to be much better.
So far, I have the best impressions with the continental
Europe students (especially Germany and Italy). They
have solid thretical background yet are also quite fast
in learning the pratical aspects of Engineering.
>
> PS: Where the hell is BTech ECE ?????
>
> Google found this: http://www.iitg.ernet.in/
http://www.iitg.ernet.in/ece/btech.htm
So it is similar to Bachelor of Science or Bachelor of Engineering
in other countries. And India Institude of Technology xxxxx are
the best Indian technological universities.
--
Xiaofan http://mcuee.blogspot.com
Reply by ●February 18, 20102010-02-18
--- In l..., Xiaofan Chen wrote:
>
> Just my two cents...
>
> I am in Singapore where we have quite some colleagues from
> India. I think they are actually quite good. Sometimes I have
> a bit problem to understand their accent but other than that
> they are just as good as an engineer.
I think highly of the graduates of your National University. It was my great privilege to live in Singapore for 15 months and be the primary engineer/designer of the original Chartered Semiconductor plant across the street from the SISR building on Science Park Drive (1988-89).
I worked with many NUS graduates and their depth of knowledge was impressive. I don't think any of them needed help with their senior projects.
Richard
>
> Just my two cents...
>
> I am in Singapore where we have quite some colleagues from
> India. I think they are actually quite good. Sometimes I have
> a bit problem to understand their accent but other than that
> they are just as good as an engineer.
I think highly of the graduates of your National University. It was my great privilege to live in Singapore for 15 months and be the primary engineer/designer of the original Chartered Semiconductor plant across the street from the SISR building on Science Park Drive (1988-89).
I worked with many NUS graduates and their depth of knowledge was impressive. I don't think any of them needed help with their senior projects.
Richard
Reply by ●February 19, 20102010-02-19
> Are Indian Colleges so much different than western
colleges ??
> Are Indian students so much different than western students ??
>
Unfortunately the answer to both question is YES.
The Indian universities use syllabus, which is 10 years behind. The good old
8085 is still taught in colleges!
Secondly the student career depends on only one yearly examination, and
marks obtained in that. So they study with the sole intention of scoring
marks, and not to understand the subject.
This picture holds good for 90% of universities, barring IIT ( Indian
Institutes of Technology).
Warm Regards,
Mukund Deshmukh,
Beta Computronics Pvt Ltd,
10/1 IT Park,
Nagpur -440022, India.
Meet us at....
TAIPEIPLAS 2010, Taipei, Taiwan, Booth No I407, March 5-9, 2010.
CHINAPLAS 2010, Shanghai, China, Booth No. W5R51, April 19-22, 2010.
> Are Indian students so much different than western students ??
>
Unfortunately the answer to both question is YES.
The Indian universities use syllabus, which is 10 years behind. The good old
8085 is still taught in colleges!
Secondly the student career depends on only one yearly examination, and
marks obtained in that. So they study with the sole intention of scoring
marks, and not to understand the subject.
This picture holds good for 90% of universities, barring IIT ( Indian
Institutes of Technology).
Warm Regards,
Mukund Deshmukh,
Beta Computronics Pvt Ltd,
10/1 IT Park,
Nagpur -440022, India.
Meet us at....
TAIPEIPLAS 2010, Taipei, Taiwan, Booth No I407, March 5-9, 2010.
CHINAPLAS 2010, Shanghai, China, Booth No. W5R51, April 19-22, 2010.
Reply by ●February 19, 20102010-02-19
Thank you Mukund,
Do children in India grow up with technology ?
Do these tech students see technology before getting into college ?
don
--- In l..., "Mukund Deshmukh" wrote:
>
> > Are Indian Colleges so much different than western colleges ??
> > Are Indian students so much different than western students ??
> > Unfortunately the answer to both question is YES.
> The Indian universities use syllabus, which is 10 years behind. The good old
> 8085 is still taught in colleges!
> Secondly the student career depends on only one yearly examination, and
> marks obtained in that. So they study with the sole intention of scoring
> marks, and not to understand the subject.
> This picture holds good for 90% of universities, barring IIT ( Indian
> Institutes of Technology).
> Warm Regards,
> Mukund Deshmukh,
> Beta Computronics Pvt Ltd,
> 10/1 IT Park,
> Nagpur -440022, India.
>
> Meet us at....
> TAIPEIPLAS 2010, Taipei, Taiwan, Booth No I407, March 5-9, 2010.
> CHINAPLAS 2010, Shanghai, China, Booth No. W5R51, April 19-22, 2010.
>
Do children in India grow up with technology ?
Do these tech students see technology before getting into college ?
don
--- In l..., "Mukund Deshmukh" wrote:
>
> > Are Indian Colleges so much different than western colleges ??
> > Are Indian students so much different than western students ??
> > Unfortunately the answer to both question is YES.
> The Indian universities use syllabus, which is 10 years behind. The good old
> 8085 is still taught in colleges!
> Secondly the student career depends on only one yearly examination, and
> marks obtained in that. So they study with the sole intention of scoring
> marks, and not to understand the subject.
> This picture holds good for 90% of universities, barring IIT ( Indian
> Institutes of Technology).
> Warm Regards,
> Mukund Deshmukh,
> Beta Computronics Pvt Ltd,
> 10/1 IT Park,
> Nagpur -440022, India.
>
> Meet us at....
> TAIPEIPLAS 2010, Taipei, Taiwan, Booth No I407, March 5-9, 2010.
> CHINAPLAS 2010, Shanghai, China, Booth No. W5R51, April 19-22, 2010.
>
Reply by ●February 20, 20102010-02-20
Donald
Without living in India, I can say that ...
> Do children in India grow up with technology ?
.. a wast majority of children do not have contact with computer
technology as compared with children in countries like USA, Japan or in
short the developed countries.
To my opinion the problem is on one hand the college system an on the
other hand the professors who seem to give final year projects they
themselves could not solve (a prejudice yes, but there must be a reason
the students ask those question in mailing lists and not the professors).
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| IEC61508 certified.
+
Without living in India, I can say that ...
> Do children in India grow up with technology ?
.. a wast majority of children do not have contact with computer
technology as compared with children in countries like USA, Japan or in
short the developed countries.
To my opinion the problem is on one hand the college system an on the
other hand the professors who seem to give final year projects they
themselves could not solve (a prejudice yes, but there must be a reason
the students ask those question in mailing lists and not the professors).
--
42Bastian
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| http://www.sciopta.com
| Fastest direct message passing kernel.
| IEC61508 certified.
+
Reply by ●February 20, 20102010-02-20
> Thank you Mukund,
>
> Do children in India grow up with technology ?
>
> Do these tech students see technology before getting into college ?
>
> don
>
The answer is again NO.
Before college the syllabus includes elementary electronics, but again their
study is restricted up to scoring marks, and not beyond that...
Some time I feel very sorry for these students.....they are victim of the
education system.
Warm Regards,
Mukund Deshmukh,
Beta Computronics Pvt Ltd,
10/1 IT Park,
Nagpur -440022, India.
Meet us at....
TAIPEIPLAS 2010, Taipei, Taiwan, Booth No I407, March 5-9, 2010.
CHINAPLAS 2010, Shanghai, China, Booth No. W5R51, April 19-22, 2010.
>
> Do children in India grow up with technology ?
>
> Do these tech students see technology before getting into college ?
>
> don
>
The answer is again NO.
Before college the syllabus includes elementary electronics, but again their
study is restricted up to scoring marks, and not beyond that...
Some time I feel very sorry for these students.....they are victim of the
education system.
Warm Regards,
Mukund Deshmukh,
Beta Computronics Pvt Ltd,
10/1 IT Park,
Nagpur -440022, India.
Meet us at....
TAIPEIPLAS 2010, Taipei, Taiwan, Booth No I407, March 5-9, 2010.
CHINAPLAS 2010, Shanghai, China, Booth No. W5R51, April 19-22, 2010.
