Hi Rocco,

My questions were not an attempt to embarrass you. It seems that right now you
have a chip, but no board to solder it to. I was trying to determine if your
goal was to learn through the process of designing your own circuit board. If
so, the amount of money you're prepared to spend will have a lot to do with the
choices of tools you use and the options you have for getting the boards
fabricated. I was asking about your budget so that I could give you advice more
appropriate to your situation.

Designing this board would be a challenging project if you've never done
something like it before. Richard correctly identified a number of potential
pitfalls. He's also correct that you generally need multi-layer board designs
to deal with chips like this. That said, your particular hardware is
straight-forward. Since it's not going to be a commercial product, the
specifications are relaxed. With care and planning I think it could be
successfully implemented as a two-layer board. Your odds of success would go up
dramatically if you had someone experienced at this type of design who was
willing to coach you as you progress with the design. I'm prepared to do that.
This offer does not have a commercial motive. Neither I nor my company sell
engineering services or any product related to designing or building circuit
boards.

I wouldn't want anyone else in the group to feel they were unfairly blamed for
the failure of your project. I, however, am willing to take that risk. You're
welcome to contact me directly if you prefer not to continue the discussion in
public. The processor you've picked isn't NXP, so, it's perhaps stretching
things slightly to be posting in this group in any event. (Leon, feel free to
give us some direction on that point.) You could always pick another
processor...

Best regards,
Norman

________________________________
From: Donald H
To: l...
Sent: Sat, December 4, 2010 6:46:03 PM
Subject: [lpc2000] Re: The best way to solder an ARM processor

Thanks for putting this project into context.

Rocco said " I got a free sample of the chip and I do not have the money to do
it right. So help me do it at all and I will blame all of you if it does not
work."

Yes, I understand Rocco now.

Good luck

don

PS: The clock is still running.

--- In l..., Norman Felder wrote:
>
> Hi Rocco,
>
> Thanks for putting the project into context. I think I understand what you're

> up to now. If you don't mind, I have few more quick questions:
>
> First, is one of the skills you're trying to pick up the ability to design a
> circuit board? If so, do you have a particular CAD package already that you
> want to use to capture the schematic and lay out the circuit board?
>
> In general terms, how much money are you prepared to spend on this exercise?
>Is
>
> a few hundred euros a major outlay or a minor expense?
>
> Best regards,
> Norman
>
> ________________________________
> From: Rocco Galati
> To: l...
> Sent: Sat, December 4, 2010 3:42:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [lpc2000] Re: The best way to solder an ARM processor
> Hello,
>
> > - what are you really trying to do? I don't mean "read sensors", I mean what
>is
>
> >the application ?
> >- what is being sensed, where, how often, what happens to the data?
>
> I'd like to write an application which read values from some sensors like
> temperature, humidity, motion detector and
> displays it on a LCD display. I'd like to read values each seconds and to
>update
>
> each time the values.
> I need to send these values via bluetooth so I've bought a wt11 module from
> Bluegiga and I need to connect it to the ARM, too.
>
> So the main application is to read the values and to send them via Bluetooth.
>
> I'm doing this very well on Arduino duemilanove, but now I'd like to switch to

> the ARM because I want to develop a system all by myself; in this way i'll
> learn a lot of things.
> I've bought two ARM devices and this is their datasheet:
>http://docs-europe.origin.electrocomponents.com/webdocs/0db0/0900766b80db0f69.pdf
>f
>
> and this is the photo of one of them:
> http://lnx.mangaitalia.net/IMG_2313.jpg
>
> >- where are you? Private hobbyist, school, college, university, company.
> I'm in Italy and I'm a mechatronic engineer but I have no skill on these
>devices
>
> so I'd like to receive some advices from you.
> I'm doing this as a personal project and I don't have to do this for business
>or
>
> for a company.
> I just have to improve my skills.
> I hope you can help me and suggest me the best way to realize my project.
> Il giorno 04/dic/10, alle ore 23:16, Neil Johnson ha scritto:
>
> Hi,
> >
> >Rocco Galati wrote:
> >> why? :(
> >
> >Interesting discussion. If I may ask you a couple of questions:
> >
> >- what are you really trying to do? I don't mean "read sensors", I
> >mean what is the application ?
> >
> >- what is being sensed, where, how often, what happens to the data?
> >
> >- where are you? Private hobbyist, school, college, university,
> >company.
> >
> >Answers to the above would help the audience on this list provide
> >answers with the right context.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Neil
> >--
> >http://www.njohnson.co.uk
> >
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Hello,

thanks for your interest.
Yep, one of the abilities which I want to aquire is to be able to
design a circuit board.
At the moment, I have some skills to do it on the paper, but I never
used a CAD package and in these days I'm trying to find one which i
can use for schematics and the circuit board.
I used OrCAD but may be there is some other better CAD. I'll look for
it.

Few hundred euros are not a problem, but I'd like to realize the best
solution at low cost.
During the last months, I've bought three arduino duemilanove, a lot
of sensors (RGB color, LCD display, temperature, humidity, PIR, etc..)
and two ARMS which I'd like to use in order to substitute the Arduino
circuit.
I've also bought a JTAG Adapter in order to be able to program the ARMs.

Thanks again for your help.
Rocco.
Il giorno 05/dic/10, alle ore 01:31, Norman Felder ha scritto:

>
> Hi Rocco,
>
> Thanks for putting the project into context. I think I understand
> what you're up to now. If you don't mind, I have few more quick
> questions:
>
> First, is one of the skills you're trying to pick up the ability to
> design a circuit board? If so, do you have a particular CAD package
> already that you want to use to capture the schematic and lay out
> the circuit board?
>
> In general terms, how much money are you prepared to spend on this
> exercise? Is a few hundred euros a major outlay or a minor expense?
>
> Best regards,
> Norman
>
> From: Rocco Galati
> To: l...
> Sent: Sat, December 4, 2010 3:42:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [lpc2000] Re: The best way to solder an ARM processor
> Hello,
> > - what are you really trying to do? I don't mean "read sensors", I
> mean what is the application ?
> >- what is being sensed, where, how often, what happens to the data?
>
> I'd like to write an application which read values from some sensors
> like temperature, humidity, motion detector and
> displays it on a LCD display. I'd like to read values each seconds
> and to update each time the values.
> I need to send these values via bluetooth so I've bought a wt11
> module from Bluegiga and I need to connect it to the ARM, too.
>
> So the main application is to read the values and to send them via
> Bluetooth.
>
> I'm doing this very well on Arduino duemilanove, but now I'd like to
> switch to the ARM because I want to develop a system all by myself;
> in this way i'll learn a lot of things.
> I've bought two ARM devices and this is their datasheet:
> http://docs-europe.origin.electrocomponents.com/webdocs/0db0/0900766b80db0f69.pdf
> and this is the photo of one of them:
> http://lnx.mangaitalia.net/IMG_2313.jpg
>
> >- where are you? Private hobbyist, school, college, university,
> company.
>
> I'm in Italy and I'm a mechatronic engineer but I have no skill on
> these devices so I'd like to receive some advices from you.
> I'm doing this as a personal project and I don't have to do this for
> business or for a company.
> I just have to improve my skills.
> I hope you can help me and suggest me the best way to realize my
> project.
>
> Il giorno 04/dic/10, alle ore 23:16, Neil Johnson ha scritto:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Rocco Galati wrote:
>> > why? :(
>>
>> Interesting discussion. If I may ask you a couple of questions:
>>
>> - what are you really trying to do? I don't mean "read sensors", I
>> mean what is the application ?
>>
>> - what is being sensed, where, how often, what happens to the data?
>>
>> - where are you? Private hobbyist, school, college, university,
>> company.
>>
>> Answers to the above would help the audience on this list provide
>> answers with the right context.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Neil
>> --
>> http://www.njohnson.co.uk
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Hello Donald,

I never said something like that.
I have the money and I don't care how much I'll spend in the future to
realize the project and to learn how to do it.
I never said I will blame you if it won't work, I'm just asking for
your help because you have skills in this area.
I think this is a free and open group so if you aren't interested in
my questions, why you answer to me?

I don't know why you are attacking me and you are so presumptuous and
arrogant with me.
However, this is a photo about my actual project on arduino:
http://lnx.mangaitalia.net/arduino.JPG

In the lower left corner there is the Zilog PIR detector, on the right
there is the Displaytech LCD 2x16 and on the upper right corner there
are the temperature and humidity sensor.
I use the potenziometer in order to adjust the LCD.
Actually I use the LCD in order to display the information about the
status sensors and if it detect a motion.
In this photo there is the Bluegiga wt11 module because it wasn't
connected at the moment.

I've bought 6 wt11 modules and two wt41 modules from Bluegiga in order
to test them.

The ARM processors are not free, I've bought them from RS at 9 euros
each single piece.

Thanks.
Rocco.
Il giorno 05/dic/10, alle ore 02:46, Donald H ha scritto:

> Thanks for putting this project into context.
>
> Rocco said " I got a free sample of the chip and I do not have the
> money to do it right. So help me do it at all and I will blame all
> of you if it does not work."
>
> Yes, I understand Rocco now.
>
> Good luck
>
> don
>
> PS: The clock is still running.
>
> --- In l..., Norman Felder
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Rocco,
> >
> > Thanks for putting the project into context. I think I understand
> what you're
> > up to now. If you don't mind, I have few more quick questions:
> >
> > First, is one of the skills you're trying to pick up the ability
> to design a
> > circuit board? If so, do you have a particular CAD package already
> that you
> > want to use to capture the schematic and lay out the circuit board?
> >
> > In general terms, how much money are you prepared to spend on this
> exercise? Is
> > a few hundred euros a major outlay or a minor expense?
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Norman
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Rocco Galati
> > To: l...
> > Sent: Sat, December 4, 2010 3:42:38 PM
> > Subject: Re: [lpc2000] Re: The best way to solder an ARM processor
> >
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > > - what are you really trying to do? I don't mean "read sensors",
> I mean what is
> > >the application ?
> > >- what is being sensed, where, how often, what happens to the data?
> >
> > I'd like to write an application which read values from some
> sensors like
> > temperature, humidity, motion detector and
> > displays it on a LCD display. I'd like to read values each seconds
> and to update
> > each time the values.
> > I need to send these values via bluetooth so I've bought a wt11
> module from
> > Bluegiga and I need to connect it to the ARM, too.
> >
> > So the main application is to read the values and to send them via
> Bluetooth.
> >
> > I'm doing this very well on Arduino duemilanove, but now I'd like
> to switch to
> > the ARM because I want to develop a system all by myself; in this
> way i'll
> > learn a lot of things.
> > I've bought two ARM devices and this is their datasheet:
> > http://docs-europe.origin.electrocomponents.com/webdocs/0db0/0900766b80db0f69.pdf
> >
> > and this is the photo of one of them:
> > http://lnx.mangaitalia.net/IMG_2313.jpg
> >
> > >- where are you? Private hobbyist, school, college, university,
> company.
> >
> >
> > I'm in Italy and I'm a mechatronic engineer but I have no skill on
> these devices
> > so I'd like to receive some advices from you.
> > I'm doing this as a personal project and I don't have to do this
> for business or
> > for a company.
> > I just have to improve my skills.
> > I hope you can help me and suggest me the best way to realize my
> project.
> >
> >
> > Il giorno 04/dic/10, alle ore 23:16, Neil Johnson ha scritto:
> >
> > Hi,
> > >
> > >Rocco Galati wrote:
> > >> why? :(
> > >
> > >Interesting discussion. If I may ask you a couple of questions:
> > >
> > >- what are you really trying to do? I don't mean "read sensors", I
> > >mean what is the application ?
> > >
> > >- what is being sensed, where, how often, what happens to the data?
> > >
> > >- where are you? Private hobbyist, school, college, university,
> > >company.
> > >
> > >Answers to the above would help the audience on this list provide
> > >answers with the right context.
> > >
> > >Thanks,
> > >Neil
> > >--
> > >http://www.njohnson.co.uk
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Thanks,
I really appreciate your help! I really need to ask someone a lot of
questions because I never do something like this.
Unfortunately, we don't study this kind of thing at unviersity, but I
want to learn this anyway.

Thanks a lot.
Rocco.
Il giorno 05/dic/10, alle ore 05:57, Norman Felder ha scritto:

>
> Hi Rocco,
>
> My questions were not an attempt to embarrass you. It seems that
> right now you have a chip, but no board to solder it to. I was
> trying to determine if your goal was to learn through the process of
> designing your own circuit board. If so, the amount of money you're
> prepared to spend will have a lot to do with the choices of tools
> you use and the options you have for getting the boards fabricated.
> I was asking about your budget so that I could give you advice more
> appropriate to your situation.
>
> Designing this board would be a challenging project if you've never
> done something like it before. Richard correctly identified a
> number of potential pitfalls. He's also correct that you generally
> need multi-layer board designs to deal with chips like this. That
> said, your particular hardware is straight-forward. Since it's not
> going to be a commercial product, the specifications are relaxed.
> With care and planning I think it could be successfully implemented
> as a two-layer board. Your odds of success would go up dramatically
> if you had someone experienced at this type of design who was
> willing to coach you as you progress with the design. I'm prepared
> to do that. This offer does not have a commercial motive. Neither
> I nor my company sell engineering services or any product related to
> designing or building circuit boards.
>
> I wouldn't want anyone else in the group to feel they were unfairly
> blamed for the failure of your project. I, however, am willing to
> take that risk. You're welcome to contact me directly if you prefer
> not to continue the discussion in public. The processor you've
> picked isn't NXP, so, it's perhaps stretching things slightly to be
> posting in this group in any event. (Leon, feel free to give us
> some direction on that point.) You could always pick another
> processor...
>
> Best regards,
> Norman
>
> From: Donald H
> To: l...
> Sent: Sat, December 4, 2010 6:46:03 PM
> Subject: [lpc2000] Re: The best way to solder an ARM processor
> Thanks for putting this project into context.
>
> Rocco said " I got a free sample of the chip and I do not have the
> money to do it right. So help me do it at all and I will blame all
> of you if it does not work."
>
> Yes, I understand Rocco now.
>
> Good luck
>
> don
>
> PS: The clock is still running.
>
> --- In l..., Norman Felder
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Rocco,
> >
> > Thanks for putting the project into context. I think I understand
> what you're
> > up to now. If you don't mind, I have few more quick questions:
> >
> > First, is one of the skills you're trying to pick up the ability
> to design a
> > circuit board? If so, do you have a particular CAD package already
> that you
> > want to use to capture the schematic and lay out the circuit board?
> >
> > In general terms, how much money are you prepared to spend on this
> exercise? Is
> > a few hundred euros a major outlay or a minor expense?
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Norman
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Rocco Galati
> > To: l...
> > Sent: Sat, December 4, 2010 3:42:38 PM
> > Subject: Re: [lpc2000] Re: The best way to solder an ARM processor
> >
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > > - what are you really trying to do? I don't mean "read sensors",
> I mean what is
> > >the application ?
> > >- what is being sensed, where, how often, what happens to the data?
> >
> > I'd like to write an application which read values from some
> sensors like
> > temperature, humidity, motion detector and
> > displays it on a LCD display. I'd like to read values each seconds
> and to update
> > each time the values.
> > I need to send these values via bluetooth so I've bought a wt11
> module from
> > Bluegiga and I need to connect it to the ARM, too.
> >
> > So the main application is to read the values and to send them via
> Bluetooth.
> >
> > I'm doing this very well on Arduino duemilanove, but now I'd like
> to switch to
> > the ARM because I want to develop a system all by myself; in this
> way i'll
> > learn a lot of things.
> > I've bought two ARM devices and this is their datasheet:
> > http://docs-europe.origin.electrocomponents.com/webdocs/0db0/0900766b80db0f69.pdf
> >
> > and this is the photo of one of them:
> > http://lnx.mangaitalia.net/IMG_2313.jpg
> >
> > >- where are you? Private hobbyist, school, college, university,
> company.
> >
> >
> > I'm in Italy and I'm a mechatronic engineer but I have no skill on
> these devices
> > so I'd like to receive some advices from you.
> > I'm doing this as a personal project and I don't have to do this
> for business or
> > for a company.
> > I just have to improve my skills.
> > I hope you can help me and suggest me the best way to realize my
> project.
> >
> >
> > Il giorno 04/dic/10, alle ore 23:16, Neil Johnson ha scritto:
> >
> > Hi,
> > >
> > >Rocco Galati wrote:
> > >> why? :(
> > >
> > >Interesting discussion. If I may ask you a couple of questions:
> > >
> > >- what are you really trying to do? I don't mean "read sensors", I
> > >mean what is the application ?
> > >
> > >- what is being sensed, where, how often, what happens to the data?
> > >
> > >- where are you? Private hobbyist, school, college, university,
> > >company.
> > >
> > >Answers to the above would help the audience on this list provide
> > >answers with the right context.
> > >
> > >Thanks,
> > >Neil
> > >--
> > >http://www.njohnson.co.uk
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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Thanks a lot!!

I used EAGLE last year for a little project, do you think it's good
for what I have to do?
Il giorno 05/dic/10, alle ore 13:22, gsntone ha scritto:

> Free CAD:
>
> http://www.cadsoftusa.com/freeware.htm.en
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Why not?
I'm using EAGLE since a lot of years to draw simple 2 layer boards (e.g. with LPC1768).
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Hello Rocco,

This list gets lots of students posting for miracles.

Your original post sounded like of those students.

You have a large project in front of you and I understand how a project like this can fail, (been there, done that).

I you would have given enough information from the beginning the kind of advice would have been different.

Good luck with your project.

don
--- In l..., Rocco Galati wrote:
>
> Hello Donald,
>
> I never said something like that.
> I have the money and I don't care how much I'll spend in the future to
> realize the project and to learn how to do it.
> I never said I will blame you if it won't work, I'm just asking for
> your help because you have skills in this area.
> I think this is a free and open group so if you aren't interested in
> my questions, why you answer to me?
>
> I don't know why you are attacking me and you are so presumptuous and
> arrogant with me.
> However, this is a photo about my actual project on arduino:
> http://lnx.mangaitalia.net/arduino.JPG
>
> In the lower left corner there is the Zilog PIR detector, on the right
> there is the Displaytech LCD 2x16 and on the upper right corner there
> are the temperature and humidity sensor.
> I use the potenziometer in order to adjust the LCD.
> Actually I use the LCD in order to display the information about the
> status sensors and if it detect a motion.
> In this photo there is the Bluegiga wt11 module because it wasn't
> connected at the moment.
>
> I've bought 6 wt11 modules and two wt41 modules from Bluegiga in order
> to test them.
>
> The ARM processors are not free, I've bought them from RS at 9 euros
> each single piece.
>
> Thanks.
> Rocco.
> Il giorno 05/dic/10, alle ore 02:46, Donald H ha scritto:
>
> > Thanks for putting this project into context.
> >
> > Rocco said " I got a free sample of the chip and I do not have the
> > money to do it right. So help me do it at all and I will blame all
> > of you if it does not work."
> >
> > Yes, I understand Rocco now.
> >
> > Good luck
> >
> > don
> >
> > PS: The clock is still running.
> >
> > --- In l..., Norman Felder
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Rocco,
> > >
> > > Thanks for putting the project into context. I think I understand
> > what you're
> > > up to now. If you don't mind, I have few more quick questions:
> > >
> > > First, is one of the skills you're trying to pick up the ability
> > to design a
> > > circuit board? If so, do you have a particular CAD package already
> > that you
> > > want to use to capture the schematic and lay out the circuit board?
> > >
> > > In general terms, how much money are you prepared to spend on this
> > exercise? Is
> > > a few hundred euros a major outlay or a minor expense?
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > Norman
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Rocco Galati
> > > To: l...
> > > Sent: Sat, December 4, 2010 3:42:38 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [lpc2000] Re: The best way to solder an ARM processor
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > > - what are you really trying to do? I don't mean "read sensors",
> > I mean what is
> > > >the application ?
> > > >- what is being sensed, where, how often, what happens to the data?
> > >
> > > I'd like to write an application which read values from some
> > sensors like
> > > temperature, humidity, motion detector and
> > > displays it on a LCD display. I'd like to read values each seconds
> > and to update
> > > each time the values.
> > > I need to send these values via bluetooth so I've bought a wt11
> > module from
> > > Bluegiga and I need to connect it to the ARM, too.
> > >
> > > So the main application is to read the values and to send them via
> > Bluetooth.
> > >
> > > I'm doing this very well on Arduino duemilanove, but now I'd like
> > to switch to
> > > the ARM because I want to develop a system all by myself; in this
> > way i'll
> > > learn a lot of things.
> > > I've bought two ARM devices and this is their datasheet:
> > > http://docs-europe.origin.electrocomponents.com/webdocs/0db0/0900766b80db0f69.pdf
> > >
> > > and this is the photo of one of them:
> > > http://lnx.mangaitalia.net/IMG_2313.jpg
> > >
> > > >- where are you? Private hobbyist, school, college, university,
> > company.
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm in Italy and I'm a mechatronic engineer but I have no skill on
> > these devices
> > > so I'd like to receive some advices from you.
> > > I'm doing this as a personal project and I don't have to do this
> > for business or
> > > for a company.
> > > I just have to improve my skills.
> > > I hope you can help me and suggest me the best way to realize my
> > project.
> > >
> > >
> > > Il giorno 04/dic/10, alle ore 23:16, Neil Johnson ha scritto:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > >Rocco Galati wrote:
> > > >> why? :(
> > > >
> > > >Interesting discussion. If I may ask you a couple of questions:
> > > >
> > > >- what are you really trying to do? I don't mean "read sensors", I
> > > >mean what is the application ?
> > > >
> > > >- what is being sensed, where, how often, what happens to the data?
> > > >
> > > >- where are you? Private hobbyist, school, college, university,
> > > >company.
> > > >
> > > >Answers to the above would help the audience on this list provide
> > > >answers with the right context.
> > > >
> > > >Thanks,
> > > >Neil
> > > >--
> > > >http://www.njohnson.co.uk
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > > gratuita fino al 31 dicembre 2010. Cosa aspetti provalo!
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> > >
> >
> >
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I use Kicad and like it pretty well. Free open source with no board
size limitations, and easy to use.

http://kicad.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

Moses

On Sun, 2010-12-05 at 13:32 +0100, Rocco Galati wrote:
> Thanks a lot!!
> I used EAGLE last year for a little project, do you think it's good
> for what I have to do?
>
> Il giorno 05/dic/10, alle ore 13:22, gsntone ha scritto:
>
> >
> >
> > Free CAD:
> >
> > http://www.cadsoftusa.com/freeware.htm.en
> >
> >
> >
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> Those adapters have the problem that you can't get decoupling capacitors
> close to

For TQFP64 I have a PCB that allows relatively close placement of
decoupling C's: http://www.voti.nl/shop/p/PCB-09.html But even this
might be too far away.

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