This is an interesting development:
http://www.electronics-eetimes.com/en/nxp-buys-code-red-to-boost-microcontroller-ecosystem.html?cmp_id=7&news_id"2916708&vID
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NXP Buys Code Red!
Started by ●April 30, 2013
Reply by ●April 30, 20132013-04-30
Reply by ●April 30, 20132013-04-30
> What will happen to tools prices?
Code Red tool prices? Fall to $low I suspect, or $0.
Other vendor tool prices? Well, how many people on this list actually use
Code Red for real development? If you want a toolset that does more than
Cortex-M, or doesn't use Eclipse, what are your options? Does this purchase
make any real difference to the landscape? I suspect it makes absolutely no
difference whatsoever.
This is simply another purchase of a company, like CodeSourcery by Mentor,
that perhaps couldn't remain independent. NXP didn't have a tools provider
to call their own, so perhaps it was just a natural progression. It's a
pattern of Si vendors purchasing compiler/IDE vendors to offer in-house
low-cost tools. Some Si vendors purchase to have high-quality tools.
I just don't see what value or quality is added by each company that uses
Eclipse as a scaffold. My views on Eclipse are well known.
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SolderCore Development Platform http://www.soldercore.com
Code Red tool prices? Fall to $low I suspect, or $0.
Other vendor tool prices? Well, how many people on this list actually use
Code Red for real development? If you want a toolset that does more than
Cortex-M, or doesn't use Eclipse, what are your options? Does this purchase
make any real difference to the landscape? I suspect it makes absolutely no
difference whatsoever.
This is simply another purchase of a company, like CodeSourcery by Mentor,
that perhaps couldn't remain independent. NXP didn't have a tools provider
to call their own, so perhaps it was just a natural progression. It's a
pattern of Si vendors purchasing compiler/IDE vendors to offer in-house
low-cost tools. Some Si vendors purchase to have high-quality tools.
I just don't see what value or quality is added by each company that uses
Eclipse as a scaffold. My views on Eclipse are well known.
Regards,
--
Paul Curtis, Rowley Associates Ltd http://www.rowley.co.uk
SolderCore Development Platform http://www.soldercore.com
Reply by ●April 30, 20132013-04-30
I, on the other hand, only use eclipse. Even when building GUI in the QT
framework.
It would be nice to have access to top Code Red tool in a hobbist budget.
framework.
It would be nice to have access to top Code Red tool in a hobbist budget.
Reply by ●April 30, 20132013-04-30
Are they learning from Atmel? Providing a free C/C++ compiler?
And does this mean that CR staff now has more time (= more money) to support us or does that mean that they are ruining the CR support?
Anyway, that can be a good decision, which is again years too late.
And does this mean that CR staff now has more time (= more money) to support us or does that mean that they are ruining the CR support?
Anyway, that can be a good decision, which is again years too late.
Reply by ●April 30, 20132013-04-30
Hi,
> Are they learning from Atmel? Providing a free C/C++ compiler?
The compiler used is the definition of "free," and has always been so.
> And does this mean that CR staff now has more time (= more money) to
> support us or does that mean that they are ruining the CR support?
> Anyway, that can be a good decision, which is again years too late.
It's the same deal as TI, only NXP are using gcc+Eclipse. Atmel are using
Visual Studio (yes, strange concept). All NXP did was buy in some expertise
in putting it all together. TI have their own compiler, a consequence of
the Tartan Labs purchase, which they needed for their wacky DSPs.
So, I might as well ask again. Who, in this group, actually uses Code Red
tools for their daily *commercial* work? Perhaps a poll is in order. ;-)
Regards,
--
Paul Curtis, Rowley Associates Ltd http://www.rowley.co.uk
SolderCore Development Platform http://www.soldercore.com
> Are they learning from Atmel? Providing a free C/C++ compiler?
The compiler used is the definition of "free," and has always been so.
> And does this mean that CR staff now has more time (= more money) to
> support us or does that mean that they are ruining the CR support?
> Anyway, that can be a good decision, which is again years too late.
It's the same deal as TI, only NXP are using gcc+Eclipse. Atmel are using
Visual Studio (yes, strange concept). All NXP did was buy in some expertise
in putting it all together. TI have their own compiler, a consequence of
the Tartan Labs purchase, which they needed for their wacky DSPs.
So, I might as well ask again. Who, in this group, actually uses Code Red
tools for their daily *commercial* work? Perhaps a poll is in order. ;-)
Regards,
--
Paul Curtis, Rowley Associates Ltd http://www.rowley.co.uk
SolderCore Development Platform http://www.soldercore.com
Reply by ●April 30, 20132013-04-30
> I, on the other hand, only use eclipse. Even when
building GUI in the QT
> framework.
Each to their own.
> It would be nice to have access to top Code Red tool in a hobbist budget.
I'm sure it will come, at some point.
--
Paul Curtis, Rowley Associates Ltd http://www.rowley.co.uk
SolderCore Development Platform http://www.soldercore.com
> framework.
Each to their own.
> It would be nice to have access to top Code Red tool in a hobbist budget.
I'm sure it will come, at some point.
--
Paul Curtis, Rowley Associates Ltd http://www.rowley.co.uk
SolderCore Development Platform http://www.soldercore.com
Reply by ●April 30, 20132013-04-30
I'm using both (CR and Atmel). And if I write 'Compiler'
that's of course a complete IDE.
I want to buy a new chip today, download a Compiler for this thing tomorrow and have my stuff migrated from older projects within one week.
That's something a modern competitive chip sellers has to accomplish. We're not living in the 80s any more.
I want to buy a new chip today, download a Compiler for this thing tomorrow and have my stuff migrated from older projects within one week.
That's something a modern competitive chip sellers has to accomplish. We're not living in the 80s any more.
Reply by ●April 30, 20132013-04-30
Hi,
> I'm using both (CR and Atmel). And if I write 'Compiler' that's of course
> a complete IDE.
Compiler != IDE.
> I want to buy a new chip today, download a Compiler for this thing
> tomorrow and have my stuff migrated from older projects within one week.
Migration of even a moderately complex project within one week is, umm,
optimistic.
> That's something a modern competitive chip sellers has to accomplish.
You know, the stuff that silicon vendors write as example code stinks. 50
lines of header documentation, 25 lines of asserts in the function, only to
set one bit in a register is overkill.
> We're not living in the 80s any more.
Certainly.
--
Paul Curtis, Rowley Associates Ltd http://www.rowley.co.uk
SolderCore Development Platform http://www.soldercore.com
> I'm using both (CR and Atmel). And if I write 'Compiler' that's of course
> a complete IDE.
Compiler != IDE.
> I want to buy a new chip today, download a Compiler for this thing
> tomorrow and have my stuff migrated from older projects within one week.
Migration of even a moderately complex project within one week is, umm,
optimistic.
> That's something a modern competitive chip sellers has to accomplish.
You know, the stuff that silicon vendors write as example code stinks. 50
lines of header documentation, 25 lines of asserts in the function, only to
set one bit in a register is overkill.
> We're not living in the 80s any more.
Certainly.
--
Paul Curtis, Rowley Associates Ltd http://www.rowley.co.uk
SolderCore Development Platform http://www.soldercore.com
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