Disadvantages of MSP430 relative to AVR and PIC?

On Dec 22, 6:54 am, Mike Silva <snarflem...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Dec 21, 6:53 pm, larwe <zwsdot...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Dec 21, 3:35 pm, steve <bungalow_st...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > M2-16K-12x4 (16K code, 12 segments and 4 commons)
> > > > M2-64K-20x8 (64K code, 20 segments and 8 commons)
>
> > > ??  can someone decode this for me
>
> > Sure: There exist a lot of 6502-core (or modified-6502-core, and
> > 65C816-type-core) micros sold into various niche markets. If you don't
> > already know about them, you probably don't have what it takes to buy
> > them.
>
> What does it take to buy them, besides a few thousand dollars?

NDA.  Email me (linnix123@yahoo.com) to sign one.

I have to be careful this time.  I lost the last project because all
the information I fed to the customer ended up with the competitor.
Of course, I have no idea what the competitor is using, but something
like M2 for sure.

I feel like the new Marco Polo, discovering the new electronic
wonderland.  I found at least three sources of  M2 like chip.  The
first source requires external LDO and OPAMP, but the total BOM is
still cheaper than the second source.  I am still waiting for response
from the third source.

I believe this is the 4 bitter everybody is thinking about, except it
look and feel like 8 bits 6502.  They are remarkably similar but
different.  It could be coming from a central design source.

On Dec 21, 8:32 pm, Ben Bradley <ben_nospam_brad...@frontiernet.net>
wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 16:20:17 -0800 (PST), linnix
>
>
>
> <m...@linnix.info-for.us> wrote:
> >On Dec 21, 3:53 pm, larwe <zwsdot...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Dec 21, 3:35 pm, steve <bungalow_st...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> > > M2-16K-12x4 (16K code, 12 segments and 4 commons)
> >> > > M2-64K-20x8 (64K code, 20 segments and 8 commons)
>
> >> > ??  can someone decode this for me
>
> >> Sure: There exist a lot of 6502-core (or modified-6502-core, and
> >> 65C816-type-core) micros sold into various niche markets. If you don't
> >> already know about them, you probably don't have what it takes to buy
> >> them.
>
> >Thank you.  For a while, I thought I am in the wrong universe, where
> >no one live outside of MSP, AVR and PIC.
>
>    I've only heard of those 6502-based things because someone (you?)
> has previously discussed them on this newsgroup as being
> chinese-sourced, high-volume low-cost devices for toys.  As far as I
> can tell (and perhaps as previous posts state) the web has virtually
> no info on them.


I think the companies who do this are Sunplus, Sonix, Winbond, Alpha
etc, see

http://6502.org/commercial

It doesn't appear they were cheaper then microchip, atmel, in the
sense of functionality/$, but it appears they can give you exactly
what you need and no more in exchange for some overhead costs/minimum
orders/less support/what not

On Dec 22, 12:09 pm, steve <bungalow_st...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Dec 21, 8:32 pm, Ben Bradley <ben_nospam_brad...@frontiernet.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 16:20:17 -0800 (PST), linnix
>
> > <m...@linnix.info-for.us> wrote:
> > >On Dec 21, 3:53 pm, larwe <zwsdot...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> On Dec 21, 3:35 pm, steve <bungalow_st...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > >> > > M2-16K-12x4 (16K code, 12 segments and 4 commons)
> > >> > > M2-64K-20x8 (64K code, 20 segments and 8 commons)
>
> > >> > ??  can someone decode this for me
>
> > >> Sure: There exist a lot of 6502-core (or modified-6502-core, and
> > >> 65C816-type-core) micros sold into various niche markets. If you don't
> > >> already know about them, you probably don't have what it takes to buy
> > >> them.
>
> > >Thank you.  For a while, I thought I am in the wrong universe, where
> > >no one live outside of MSP, AVR and PIC.
>
> >    I've only heard of those 6502-based things because someone (you?)
> > has previously discussed them on this newsgroup as being
> > chinese-sourced, high-volume low-cost devices for toys.  As far as I
> > can tell (and perhaps as previous posts state) the web has virtually
> > no info on them.
>
> I think the companies who do this are Sunplus, Sonix, Winbond, Alpha
> etc, see
>
> http://6502.org/commercial
>
> It doesn't appear they were cheaper then microchip, atmel, in the
> sense of functionality/$, but it appears they can give you exactly
> what you need and no more in exchange for some overhead costs/minimum
> orders/less support/what not

OK, there are now at least 7.  Your 4 and my 3.  One of mine is cheap
enough.  We already did two prototype runs, and working on the third.
They comes in box of 240 chips for USD $120.  Volume prices are lower
as well.

In article <kk5uk4ll3n9c6ulj5l6rj1ve1896auos16@4ax.com>,
Ben Bradley  <ben_nospam_bradley@frontiernet.net> wrote:
<SNIP>
>
>   I've only heard of those 6502-based things because someone (you?)
>has previously discussed them on this newsgroup as being
>chinese-sourced, high-volume low-cost devices for toys.  As far as I
>can tell (and perhaps as previous posts state) the web has virtually
>no info on them.

So what one can tell or not probably depends a lot of whether one can
understand Chinese.

Do you understand Chinese (I can't)?

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On Dec 27, 5:06 am, Albert van der Horst <alb...@spenarnc.xs4all.nl>
wrote:
> In article <kk5uk4ll3n9c6ulj5l6rj1ve1896auo...@4ax.com>,
> Ben Bradley  <ben_nospam_brad...@frontiernet.net> wrote:
> <SNIP>
>
>
>
> >   I've only heard of those 6502-based things because someone (you?)
> >has previously discussed them on this newsgroup as being
> >chinese-sourced, high-volume low-cost devices for toys.  As far as I
> >can tell (and perhaps as previous posts state) the web has virtually
> >no info on them.
>
> So what one can tell or not probably depends a lot of whether one can
> understand Chinese.

And the price depends on where you are coming from.
They figure that the USD is 7x the Yuan, so we get a 50% discount and
pay only 3.5x.
You guys pay only 4x to 5x with Euro.

I was in a Chinese hotel once.  Security deposit was 100 Yuan or 100
USD.