Linniz, Thank you for that input. It seems, by others comments, that you are a decent fellow. If that is so, I apolgize for my comments about you. Oh, and Merry Christmas. Joe On Thu, 23 Dec 2010 15:00:35 -0800 (PST), linnix <me@linnix.info-for.us> wrote:>On Dec 23, 2:33�pm, D Yuniskis <not.going.to...@seen.com> wrote: >> Hi Joe, >> >> On 12/23/2010 2:30 PM, justme wrote: >> >> > Getting back into uc after a long Sabbatical. �When I ventured into >> > other things, Keil C compiler/assember was the standard 8051 varient >> > s.w. �Also, Protel was a very viable printed circuit board layout >> > package. > >Intel, along with others, stopped making 8051. > >> >> > I don't know what is best or available and accepted today. �Could >> > someone give me their advice? >> >> I think Keil is still a "respectable" product -- though I >> think they were bought (?). > >by ARM inc. > >> >> I think the same has happened to Protel (hasn't *everyone* in >> that market been "bought" -- multiple times???). �You can >> expect price to have gone up �:-/ >> >> A lot will depend on what you are trying to do, what you have >> available ($$) to do it, the environment in which you are >> operating (hobby, business, employee, ...) etc.
DE FACTO STANDARD 8051 C COMPILER AND PCB LAYOUT S.W.?
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On Dec 24, 6:37=A0pm, justme <jble...@gmail.com> wrote:> Linniz, > > Thank you for that input. > > It seems, by others comments, that you are a decent fellow. =A0If that > is so, I apolgize for my comments about you. >I think you means "larwe" in this and the other thread. You are getting us all confused.
Reply by ●December 25, 20102010-12-25
On Dec 25, 4:31=A0am, justme <jble...@gmail.com> wrote:> Okay, great, Rocky. =A0Yes, it is for a serious job but I will look and > see what that url has to offer. > > Yep, I am cheap but I also am willing to go for quality if justified. > I used to use Archimedes for a C compiler. > > Are you saying that Keil has pcb layout software? >No. Compiler - SDCC, Keil PCB - DesignSpark
Reply by ●December 25, 20102010-12-25
On Fri, 24 Dec 2010 20:34:52 -0600, the renowned justme <jbleaux@gmail.com> wrote:>Hey, Spehro, > >Long time no see. > >Thanks for the support. > >Is Keil and Altium fairly assessed as the top of the line and, if so, >what versions?Hi, Joe:- I think there are "higher end" programs available (as well as lower), but they are the highest that I've used in depth. On the compiler side, IAR seems to be well regarded, particularly if you need to work with multiple targets, but I've only played with demo versions briefly. I'm using a version of Keil that came with my 8051 emulator (a few years old- I think it's pretty stable), and the latest version of Altium (I think V10 due out in a couple of weeks, and I expect some changes..). We switched from Orcad for most stuff about a year ago. It's a bit buggy and quirky, but all such packages seem to be. The 3D features (esp. the ability to work with Mechanical CAD packages) are cute, if a bit clumsy to use at present. Best regards, Spehro Pefhany -- "it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward" speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com
Reply by ●December 25, 20102010-12-25
On 25/12/10 03:37, justme wrote:> Linniz, > > Thank you for that input. > > It seems, by others comments, that you are a decent fellow. If that > is so, I apolgize for my comments about you. > > Oh, and Merry Christmas. > > Joe >Your apology, even if it was to the wrong person (it was Lewin "larwe" you swore at, not linnix), has brought me back to following your thread. But you might want to re-post your apology to the right person, in the right thread. And /please/ don't top-post. It makes a mess of the posts, disrupts reading order, and conflicts with the standard posting style that is used in this group. Post at the bottom of the previous post, or mixed in with it in answer to questions posed. If posts are getting unwieldy, snip them to fit. mvh., David
Reply by ●December 25, 20102010-12-25
On 24/12/10 00:00, linnix wrote:> On Dec 23, 2:33 pm, D Yuniskis<not.going.to...@seen.com> wrote: >> Hi Joe, >> >> On 12/23/2010 2:30 PM, justme wrote: >> >>> Getting back into uc after a long Sabbatical. When I ventured into >>> other things, Keil C compiler/assember was the standard 8051 varient >>> s.w. Also, Protel was a very viable printed circuit board layout >>> package. > > Intel, along with others, stopped making 8051. > >> >>> I don't know what is best or available and accepted today. Could >>> someone give me their advice? >> >> I think Keil is still a "respectable" product -- though I >> think they were bought (?). > > by ARM inc. > >> >> I think the same has happened to Protel (hasn't *everyone* in >> that market been "bought" -- multiple times???). You can >> expect price to have gone up :-/ >>Protel hasn't been bought - it is one of the few remaining mainstream EDA companies that has remained independent. But they changed their name to Altium a number of years ago. And yes, their prices did go up - but so has the amount of tools you get for the money.>> A lot will depend on what you are trying to do, what you have >> available ($$) to do it, the environment in which you are >> operating (hobby, business, employee, ...) etc. >
Reply by ●December 25, 20102010-12-25
On Sat, 25 Dec 2010 17:16:00 +0100, the renowned David Brown <david.brown@removethis.hesbynett.no> wrote:>On 24/12/10 00:00, linnix wrote: >> On Dec 23, 2:33 pm, D Yuniskis<not.going.to...@seen.com> wrote: >>> Hi Joe, >>> >>> On 12/23/2010 2:30 PM, justme wrote: >>> >>>> Getting back into uc after a long Sabbatical. When I ventured into >>>> other things, Keil C compiler/assember was the standard 8051 varient >>>> s.w. Also, Protel was a very viable printed circuit board layout >>>> package. >> >> Intel, along with others, stopped making 8051. >> >>> >>>> I don't know what is best or available and accepted today. Could >>>> someone give me their advice? >>> >>> I think Keil is still a "respectable" product -- though I >>> think they were bought (?). >> >> by ARM inc. >> >>> >>> I think the same has happened to Protel (hasn't *everyone* in >>> that market been "bought" -- multiple times???). You can >>> expect price to have gone up :-/ >>> > >Protel hasn't been bought - it is one of the few remaining mainstream >EDA companies that has remained independent. But they changed their >name to Altium a number of years ago. And yes, their prices did go up - >but so has the amount of tools you get for the money.They seem to be in the midst of moving to a subscription type system. The entry cost for software including capture and layout has gone down significantly... 2:1 or 3:.. I guess it's working, I bought only one at the high price, then upgraded capture licenses when the price dropped.> >>> A lot will depend on what you are trying to do, what you have >>> available ($$) to do it, the environment in which you are >>> operating (hobby, business, employee, ...) etc.For me, a big consideration is the ability to find people with experience, and my guess as to the likelihood the company will be around (and investing in maintaining their product) 5 or 7 years from now... not just sucking cash out of it as fast as they can. Users working with products that have a short design life might not have that particular concern to the same degree. Best regards, Spehro Pefhany -- "it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward" speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com
Reply by ●December 26, 20102010-12-26
In message <577a949f-65f1-4a0a-bc98-bb0487eef1fe@l34g2000pro.googlegroup s.com>, linnix <me@linnix.info-for.us> writes>On Dec 23, 2:33�pm, D Yuniskis <not.going.to...@seen.com> wrote: >> Hi Joe, >> >> On 12/23/2010 2:30 PM, justme wrote: >> >> > Getting back into uc after a long Sabbatical. �When I ventured into >> > other things, Keil C compiler/assember was the standard 8051 varient >> > s.w. �Also, Protel was a very viable printed circuit board layout >> > package. > >Intel, along with others, stopped making 8051.However there are some 40+ manufactures producing some 600 odd 8051 variants. The 8051 is still the most common MCU on the planet (and in good numbers off the planet as there are several rad hardened 8051 MCU's about -- \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
Reply by ●December 26, 20102010-12-26
In message <a5tbh6lc2l7lobdipptdd8sinhc9nj1m3j@4ax.com>, Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> writes>On Fri, 24 Dec 2010 20:34:52 -0600, the renowned justme ><jbleaux@gmail.com> wrote: > >>Hey, Spehro, >> >>Long time no see. >> >>Thanks for the support. >> >>Is Keil and Altium fairly assessed as the top of the line and, if so, >>what versions? > >Hi, Joe:- > >I think there are "higher end" programs available (as well as lower), >but they are the highest that I've used in depth. > >On the compiler side, IAR seems to be well regarded, particularly if >you need to work with multiple targets, but I've only played with demo >versions briefly.Keil still has the edge of the 8051 especially if you need any of the more interesting 8051's. However as you say IAR has compilers for about 35 targets and is also a very good system -- \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
Reply by ●December 26, 20102010-12-26
In message <eb61bf3c-ff56-4de0-ade1-d3423658c8a1@r19g2000prm.googlegroup s.com>, Rocky <robertgush@gmail.com> writes>On Dec 25, 4:31�am, justme <jble...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Okay, great, Rocky. �Yes, it is for a serious job but I will look and >> see what that url has to offer. >> >> Yep, I am cheap but I also am willing to go for quality if justified. >> I used to use Archimedes for a C compiler. >> >> Are you saying that Keil has pcb layout software? >> >No. >Compiler - SDCC, KeilWell that is one from each end of the spectrum. :-) Personally I would not bother with SDCC. -- \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
