On Sunday, April 12, 2020 at 6:18:26 AM UTC-4, Richard Owlett wrote:> On 04/11/2020 05:04 PM, Theo wrote: > > Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> wrote: > >> I see now I put my question in a misleading way. Obviously I know > >> to "write to the log", append to the log etc., this was not the point. > >> > >> I should have asked "is something in the log or is it on the log". > >> Say, like something is "on the menu". > >> > >> Phil understood me and his answer was what I was after though. > > > > The etymology is a contraction of log-book, being a book with which you > > record (among other things) the speed of your vessel that you measured by > > throwing wooden logs over the side of the ship and seeing how fast they go > > out behind you. > > > > So you would be writing 'in' the log-book and hence writing in the log. > > > > However if it was a log-file rather than a log-book, it wouldn't be wrong to > > say you were writing to the log-file and hence writing to the log. > > (and similar for other kinds of objects that don't open and close, like a > > log-chart, log-board or log-sheet) > > > > Hence either of those feel fine to me, but writing 'on' the log doesn't. > > > > Theo > > > > This thread is a chuckle as it proves once again that English is a > strange language. In it "one parks a car in a driveway" while "driving a > car on a parkway".We don't have parkways around here. We have highways. But don't try getting high on a highway. Very frowned upon. When you are high on a highway the cops will bring you down. -- Rick C. -- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging -- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
On log or in log?
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Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:> On Sunday, April 12, 2020 at 6:18:26 AM UTC-4, Richard Owlett wrote: > > This thread is a chuckle as it proves once again that English is a > > strange language. In it "one parks a car in a driveway" while "driving a > > car on a parkway". > > We don't have parkways around here. We have highways. But don't try > getting high on a highway. Very frowned upon. When you are high on a > highway the cops will bring you down.Around here parkways are served by trains: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Parkway_railway_stations_in_Britain And highways are mostly places one would find highwaymen. Theo
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On 4/12/2020 13:18, Richard Owlett wrote:> On 04/11/2020 05:04 PM, Theo wrote: >> Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> wrote: >>> I see now I put my question in a misleading way. Obviously I know >>> to "write to the log", append to the log etc., this was not the point. >>> >>> I should have asked "is something in the log or is it on the log". >>> Say, like something is "on the menu". >>> >>> Phil understood me and his answer was what I was after though. >> >> The etymology is a contraction of log-book, being a book with which you >> record (among other things) the speed of your vessel that you measured by >> throwing wooden logs over the side of the ship and seeing how fast >> they go >> out behind you. >> >> So you would be writing 'in' the log-book and hence writing in the log. >> >> However if it was a log-file rather than a log-book, it wouldn't be >> wrong to >> say you were writing to the log-file and hence writing to the log. >> (and similar for other kinds of objects that don't open and close, like a >> log-chart, log-board or log-sheet) >> >> Hence either of those feel fine to me, but writing 'on' the log doesn't. >> >> Theo >> > > This thread is a chuckle as it proves once again that English is a > strange language. In it "one parks a car in a driveway" while "driving a > car on a parkway". > >Oh it is not just English. All languages I have used (well, just 4) have plenty of lookup table rules. E.g. in German the gender is "by table", more or less like spelling is in English etc. To a programmer it is funny that something is "on the menu" and, as it turned out, "in the log". Suspicious enough to make me ask though :-). But I did not suspect any part of Theo's explanation of how the word "log" got the meaning it has in programming today... I did know a log was some piece of wood but there is no chance I would have made the leap from piece of wood to throwing some into the water to measure boat velocity (or sort of). Dimiter
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On 12/04/20 11:18, Richard Owlett wrote:> On 04/11/2020 05:04 PM, Theo wrote: >> Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> wrote: >>> I see now I put my question in a misleading way. Obviously I know >>> to "write to the log", append to the log etc., this was not the point. >>> >>> I should have asked "is something in the log or is it on the log". >>> Say, like something is "on the menu". >>> >>> Phil understood me and his answer was what I was after though. >> >> The etymology is a contraction of log-book, being a book with which you >> record (among other things) the speed of your vessel that you measured by >> throwing wooden logs over the side of the ship and seeing how fast they go >> out behind you. >> >> So you would be writing 'in' the log-book and hence writing in the log. >> >> However if it was a log-file rather than a log-book, it wouldn't be wrong to >> say you were writing to the log-file and hence writing to the log. >> (and similar for other kinds of objects that don't open and close, like a >> log-chart, log-board or log-sheet) >> >> Hence either of those feel fine to me, but writing 'on' the log doesn't. >> >> Theo >> > > This thread is a chuckle as it proves once again that English is a strange > language. In it "one parks a car in a driveway" while "driving a car on a parkway".And "downland" is gently rolling country. (With "The Downs" being uphill of the towns)
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On 11/04/2020 23:34, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:> On 4/12/2020 0:10, Dave Nadler wrote: >> On Saturday, April 11, 2020 at 12:33:44 PM UTC-4, Dimiter wrote: >>> Writing a log object (as in log file, say logging accessed addresses >>> using a browser) and the question "do I put something _on_ the log >>> or do I put it _in_ the log"is bugging me, >> >> Neither! "append to the log" >> > > I see now I put my question in a misleading way. Obviously I know > to "write to the log", append to the log etc., this was not the point. > > I should have asked "is something in the log or is it on the log". > Say, like something is "on the menu".Something is in the log, or in the log file. "On the log" brings up images of sitting round a campfire...> > Phil understood me and his answer was what I was after though. > > Dimiter >
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On 04/12/2020 10:08 AM, Theo wrote:> Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote: >> On Sunday, April 12, 2020 at 6:18:26 AM UTC-4, Richard Owlett wrote: >>> This thread is a chuckle as it proves once again that English is a >>> strange language. In it "one parks a car in a driveway" while "driving a >>> car on a parkway". >> >> We don't have parkways around here. We have highways. But don't try >> getting high on a highway. Very frowned upon. When you are high on a >> highway the cops will bring you down. > > Around here parkways are served by trains: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Parkway_railway_stations_in_Britain > And highways are mostly places one would find highwaymen. > > Theo >Somebody {G.B. Shaw or W. Churchill} reportedly said "British and Americans are two people separated by a common language" ;/ Also, remember English is a "living" (thus evolving/devolving) language. For a long term example compare the shift in meaning of "to suffer" since the 1600's.
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On Sunday, April 12, 2020 at 11:25:40 AM UTC-4, Dimiter wrote:> On 4/12/2020 13:18, Richard Owlett wrote: > > On 04/11/2020 05:04 PM, Theo wrote: > >> Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> wrote: > >>> I see now I put my question in a misleading way. Obviously I know > >>> to "write to the log", append to the log etc., this was not the point. > >>> > >>> I should have asked "is something in the log or is it on the log". > >>> Say, like something is "on the menu". > >>> > >>> Phil understood me and his answer was what I was after though. > >> > >> The etymology is a contraction of log-book, being a book with which you > >> record (among other things) the speed of your vessel that you measured by > >> throwing wooden logs over the side of the ship and seeing how fast > >> they go > >> out behind you. > >> > >> So you would be writing 'in' the log-book and hence writing in the log. > >> > >> However if it was a log-file rather than a log-book, it wouldn't be > >> wrong to > >> say you were writing to the log-file and hence writing to the log. > >> (and similar for other kinds of objects that don't open and close, like a > >> log-chart, log-board or log-sheet) > >> > >> Hence either of those feel fine to me, but writing 'on' the log doesn't. > >> > >> Theo > >> > > > > This thread is a chuckle as it proves once again that English is a > > strange language. In it "one parks a car in a driveway" while "driving a > > car on a parkway". > > > > > > Oh it is not just English. All languages I have used (well, just 4) have > plenty of lookup table rules. E.g. in German the gender is "by table", > more or less like spelling is in English etc.As long as you mentioned spelling in English, here's a question to represent my long standing frustration with the damn language. (Thanks Britain!) How do you spell table? How do you spell label? WTF???!!! How can anyone expect me to memorize a bazillion arbitrary rules like this??? So which similar words are in the table column and how many are in the label column? No wonder hand written letters have gone by the wayside, no spell checker! I remember the rule for the order of 'i' and 'e' when adjacant... 'I' before 'e' except after 'c' or when it sounds like 'a' as in neighbor and weigh... or some other cases where no rhyming rule has been discovered and a table lookup is required. English has so many of these spelling rule tables that they each need a lable to tell them apart,,, wait each tabel needs a label. No, that's not right... ARRGGGHHH! I'm done. I'm using sign language from now on. Or is it sine language? -\/\/\/\/\/- -- Rick C. - Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging - Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
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On 4/12/2020 19:00, David Brown wrote:> On 11/04/2020 23:34, Dimiter_Popoff wrote: >> On 4/12/2020 0:10, Dave Nadler wrote: >>> On Saturday, April 11, 2020 at 12:33:44 PM UTC-4, Dimiter wrote: >>>> Writing a log object (as in log file, say logging accessed addresses >>>> using a browser) and the question "do I put something _on_ the log >>>> or do I put it _in_ the log"is bugging me, >>> >>> Neither! "append to the log" >>> >> >> I see now I put my question in a misleading way. Obviously I know >> to "write to the log", append to the log etc., this was not the point. >> >> I should have asked "is something in the log or is it on the log". >> Say, like something is "on the menu". > > Something is in the log, or in the log file. > > "On the log" brings up images of sitting round a campfire... >Hah, this is the thing with non-native speakers like myself. There is always a giveaway, no matter what. May be not as funny as this logging data around the campfire but there always is :-). Dimiter
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On 4/12/2020 21:34, Rick C wrote:> On Sunday, April 12, 2020 at 11:25:40 AM UTC-4, Dimiter wrote: >> On 4/12/2020 13:18, Richard Owlett wrote: >>> On 04/11/2020 05:04 PM, Theo wrote: >>>> Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> wrote: >>>>> I see now I put my question in a misleading way. Obviously I know >>>>> to "write to the log", append to the log etc., this was not the point. >>>>> >>>>> I should have asked "is something in the log or is it on the log". >>>>> Say, like something is "on the menu". >>>>> >>>>> Phil understood me and his answer was what I was after though. >>>> >>>> The etymology is a contraction of log-book, being a book with which you >>>> record (among other things) the speed of your vessel that you measured by >>>> throwing wooden logs over the side of the ship and seeing how fast >>>> they go >>>> out behind you. >>>> >>>> So you would be writing 'in' the log-book and hence writing in the log. >>>> >>>> However if it was a log-file rather than a log-book, it wouldn't be >>>> wrong to >>>> say you were writing to the log-file and hence writing to the log. >>>> (and similar for other kinds of objects that don't open and close, like a >>>> log-chart, log-board or log-sheet) >>>> >>>> Hence either of those feel fine to me, but writing 'on' the log doesn't. >>>> >>>> Theo >>>> >>> >>> This thread is a chuckle as it proves once again that English is a >>> strange language. In it "one parks a car in a driveway" while "driving a >>> car on a parkway". >>> >>> >> >> Oh it is not just English. All languages I have used (well, just 4) have >> plenty of lookup table rules. E.g. in German the gender is "by table", >> more or less like spelling is in English etc. > > As long as you mentioned spelling in English, here's a question to represent my long standing frustration with the damn language. (Thanks Britain!) > > How do you spell table? How do you spell label? WTF???!!! > > How can anyone expect me to memorize a bazillion arbitrary rules like this??? So which similar words are in the table column and how many are in the label column? No wonder hand written letters have gone by the wayside, no spell checker! > > I remember the rule for the order of 'i' and 'e' when adjacant... 'I' before 'e' except after 'c' or when it sounds like 'a' as in neighbor and weigh... or some other cases where no rhyming rule has been discovered and a table lookup is required. English has so many of these spelling rule tables that they each need a lable to tell them apart,,, wait each tabel needs a label. No, that's not right... ARRGGGHHH! > > I'm done. I'm using sign language from now on. Or is it sine language? -\/\/\/\/\/- >Hmmm, perhaps sign languages have their spelling peculiarities as well, you never know. Having a phonetic alphabet is not such a huge advantage you know. Bulgarian is strictly phonetic and a huge part of the accent Bulgarians have - even people who know English well - comes because people deem sounds which are not in (or on?....) the alphabet non-existent. This is less valid for Germans though and they do also have a fairly phonetic use of the Latin alphabet with their extensions to it. Dimiter
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