me wrote:> Joerg <notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote in > news:u_dsh.62711$qO4.15050@newssvr13.news.prodigy.net: > > >>Jim Thompson wrote: >> >> >>>On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 00:18:41 GMT, Joerg >>><notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>Dave Hansen wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Joerg wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Jim Thompson wrote: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>[...] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>How do you get an old serial port mouse working on a "modern" >>>>>>>>laptop? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Is it Logitech? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>It is. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Try their site. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Tried that. That model is long gone from there. I bet if I'd call >>>>>>they'd suggest to try the Smithsonian museum ... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>You might lose that bet. New trackballs are generally just old >>>>>trackballs with geehaws added. Usually the new trackball faithfully >>>>>emulates the old one until the driver enables the new stuff. >>>>> >>>> >>>>Yes, but it seems that the new generation of mouse driver writers >>>>doesn't remember what RS232 is. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>From the main page choose "Downloads", then "Trackballs", then >>>>> >>>>>>"Other >>>>> >>>>>Products", then "Trackballs not listed". Choose your operating >>>>>system and download. I believe this gets you their "generic" driver >>>>>that works with just about anything (anything Logitech, anyway). >>>>>Standard 5-byte, 1200 baud protocol with 3 buttons. No new geehaws. >>>>> >>>> >>>>Thanks, done that, tried to install, didn't work. It only supports >>>>newer USB devices. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>... It ought to work as an ordinary serial mouse PROVIDED you >>>>>>>INSTALL it. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Well, on the risk of totally embarrassing myself here, how do I do >>>>>>that in them thar newfangled Windozes? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>The download should include instructions. >>>>> >>>> >>>>Only USB it sez. Why is it that electronics get dropped like a hot >>>>potato in less than a decade while I can still go to Kragen's and buy >>>>a spare part for a Studebaker? >>> >>> >>>Isn't there a simple adapter to convert between serial and PS/2? >>> >>>AND: Haven't you already wasted $50 of your time trying to be >>>cheap-ass, when a new track-ball can be had for $49 ?:-) >>> >>>I thought you would have learned that time is money by now ;-) >>> >> >>I do. But there comes a time when I need a little breather from staring >>at a CAD screen or figuring out how to cram umpteen analog functions >>into the space of about two quarters. Also, it's not about money, I >>like this old mouse and I know it won't give cramps like most others. >> >>BTW, Logitech says on their site that their driver (MouseWare) will not >>support serial mice under 2k and XP. Great. But they did say that 2k >>and XP have native drivers for that. Question is, who knows where? >> > > > control panel - add hardware - let it search ...Did that on both machines. Neither found it.> and if it does not find it do a manual instal... >If I just knew how, respectively where to get or find the needed driver. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com
Old trackball won't work on modern laptops
Started by ●January 19, 2007
Reply by ●January 19, 20072007-01-19
Reply by ●January 19, 20072007-01-19
Jim Thompson wrote:> On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 01:10:51 GMT, Joerg > <notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote: > > >>Jim Thompson wrote: >> >> >>>On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 00:18:41 GMT, Joerg >>><notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>Dave Hansen wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Joerg wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Jim Thompson wrote: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>[...] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>How do you get an old serial port mouse working on a "modern" laptop? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Is it Logitech? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>It is. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Try their site. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Tried that. That model is long gone from there. I bet if I'd call they'd >>>>>>suggest to try the Smithsonian museum ... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>You might lose that bet. New trackballs are generally just old >>>>>trackballs with geehaws added. Usually the new trackball faithfully >>>>>emulates the old one until the driver enables the new stuff. >>>>> >>>> >>>>Yes, but it seems that the new generation of mouse driver writers >>>>doesn't remember what RS232 is. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>From the main page choose "Downloads", then "Trackballs", then "Other >>>>>Products", then "Trackballs not listed". Choose your operating system >>>>>and download. I believe this gets you their "generic" driver that works >>>>>with just about anything (anything Logitech, anyway). Standard 5-byte, >>>>>1200 baud protocol with 3 buttons. No new geehaws. >>>>> >>>> >>>>Thanks, done that, tried to install, didn't work. It only supports newer >>>>USB devices. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>... It ought to work as an ordinary serial mouse PROVIDED you INSTALL it. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Well, on the risk of totally embarrassing myself here, how do I do that >>>>>>in them thar newfangled Windozes? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>The download should include instructions. >>>>> >>>> >>>>Only USB it sez. Why is it that electronics get dropped like a hot >>>>potato in less than a decade while I can still go to Kragen's and buy a >>>>spare part for a Studebaker? >>> >>> >>>Isn't there a simple adapter to convert between serial and PS/2? >>> >>>AND: Haven't you already wasted $50 of your time trying to be >>>cheap-ass, when a new track-ball can be had for $49 ?:-) >>> >>>I thought you would have learned that time is money by now ;-) >>> >> >>I do. But there comes a time when I need a little breather from staring >>at a CAD screen or figuring out how to cram umpteen analog functions >>into the space of about two quarters. Also, it's not about money, I like >>this old mouse and I know it won't give cramps like most others. >> >>BTW, Logitech says on their site that their driver (MouseWare) will not >>support serial mice under 2k and XP. Great. But they did say that 2k and >>XP have native drivers for that. Question is, who knows where? > > > Try turning off the machine. Plug in track-ball. Boot up. See if > pointer moves. I'd bet that it will. >Tried that on both machines. No trabajo :-( -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com
Reply by ●January 19, 20072007-01-19
On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 01:44:41 GMT, Joerg <notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:>Jim Thompson wrote: > >> On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 01:10:51 GMT, Joerg >> <notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote: >> >> >>>Jim Thompson wrote: >>> >>> >>>>On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 00:18:41 GMT, Joerg >>>><notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Dave Hansen wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Joerg wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Jim Thompson wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>[...] >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>How do you get an old serial port mouse working on a "modern" laptop? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Is it Logitech? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>It is. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Try their site. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Tried that. That model is long gone from there. I bet if I'd call they'd >>>>>>>suggest to try the Smithsonian museum ... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>You might lose that bet. New trackballs are generally just old >>>>>>trackballs with geehaws added. Usually the new trackball faithfully >>>>>>emulates the old one until the driver enables the new stuff. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Yes, but it seems that the new generation of mouse driver writers >>>>>doesn't remember what RS232 is. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>From the main page choose "Downloads", then "Trackballs", then "Other >>>>>>Products", then "Trackballs not listed". Choose your operating system >>>>>>and download. I believe this gets you their "generic" driver that works >>>>>>with just about anything (anything Logitech, anyway). Standard 5-byte, >>>>>>1200 baud protocol with 3 buttons. No new geehaws. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Thanks, done that, tried to install, didn't work. It only supports newer >>>>>USB devices. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>... It ought to work as an ordinary serial mouse PROVIDED you INSTALL it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Well, on the risk of totally embarrassing myself here, how do I do that >>>>>>>in them thar newfangled Windozes? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>The download should include instructions. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Only USB it sez. Why is it that electronics get dropped like a hot >>>>>potato in less than a decade while I can still go to Kragen's and buy a >>>>>spare part for a Studebaker? >>>> >>>> >>>>Isn't there a simple adapter to convert between serial and PS/2? >>>> >>>>AND: Haven't you already wasted $50 of your time trying to be >>>>cheap-ass, when a new track-ball can be had for $49 ?:-) >>>> >>>>I thought you would have learned that time is money by now ;-) >>>> >>> >>>I do. But there comes a time when I need a little breather from staring >>>at a CAD screen or figuring out how to cram umpteen analog functions >>>into the space of about two quarters. Also, it's not about money, I like >>>this old mouse and I know it won't give cramps like most others. >>> >>>BTW, Logitech says on their site that their driver (MouseWare) will not >>>support serial mice under 2k and XP. Great. But they did say that 2k and >>>XP have native drivers for that. Question is, who knows where? >> >> >> Try turning off the machine. Plug in track-ball. Boot up. See if >> pointer moves. I'd bet that it will. >> > >Tried that on both machines. No trabajo :-(Maybe the serial port is a fake ?:-) ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | | | E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat | | http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
Reply by ●January 19, 20072007-01-19
Jim Thompson wrote:> On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 01:44:41 GMT, Joerg > <notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote: > > >>Jim Thompson wrote: >> >> >>>On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 01:10:51 GMT, Joerg >>><notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>Jim Thompson wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 00:18:41 GMT, Joerg >>>>><notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Dave Hansen wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Joerg wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Jim Thompson wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>[...] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>How do you get an old serial port mouse working on a "modern" laptop? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Is it Logitech? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>It is. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Try their site. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Tried that. That model is long gone from there. I bet if I'd call they'd >>>>>>>>suggest to try the Smithsonian museum ... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>You might lose that bet. New trackballs are generally just old >>>>>>>trackballs with geehaws added. Usually the new trackball faithfully >>>>>>>emulates the old one until the driver enables the new stuff. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Yes, but it seems that the new generation of mouse driver writers >>>>>>doesn't remember what RS232 is. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>From the main page choose "Downloads", then "Trackballs", then "Other >>>>>>>Products", then "Trackballs not listed". Choose your operating system >>>>>>>and download. I believe this gets you their "generic" driver that works >>>>>>>with just about anything (anything Logitech, anyway). Standard 5-byte, >>>>>>>1200 baud protocol with 3 buttons. No new geehaws. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Thanks, done that, tried to install, didn't work. It only supports newer >>>>>>USB devices. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>... It ought to work as an ordinary serial mouse PROVIDED you INSTALL it. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Well, on the risk of totally embarrassing myself here, how do I do that >>>>>>>>in them thar newfangled Windozes? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>The download should include instructions. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Only USB it sez. Why is it that electronics get dropped like a hot >>>>>>potato in less than a decade while I can still go to Kragen's and buy a >>>>>>spare part for a Studebaker? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Isn't there a simple adapter to convert between serial and PS/2? >>>>> >>>>>AND: Haven't you already wasted $50 of your time trying to be >>>>>cheap-ass, when a new track-ball can be had for $49 ?:-) >>>>> >>>>>I thought you would have learned that time is money by now ;-) >>>>> >>>> >>>>I do. But there comes a time when I need a little breather from staring >>>>at a CAD screen or figuring out how to cram umpteen analog functions >>>>into the space of about two quarters. Also, it's not about money, I like >>>>this old mouse and I know it won't give cramps like most others. >>>> >>>>BTW, Logitech says on their site that their driver (MouseWare) will not >>>>support serial mice under 2k and XP. Great. But they did say that 2k and >>>>XP have native drivers for that. Question is, who knows where? >>> >>> >>>Try turning off the machine. Plug in track-ball. Boot up. See if >>>pointer moves. I'd bet that it will. >>> >> >>Tried that on both machines. No trabajo :-( > > > Maybe the serial port is a fake ?:-) >No :-) It's done some serial com already. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com
Reply by ●January 19, 20072007-01-19
Joerg wrote:> Since I have to do a largish schematic and won't be in the office the > whole time I wanted to connect my trusty old trackball to a laptop. This > old mouse still boasts a, gasp, 9-pin serial connector. But you know how > it is, when you get used to a tool no matter how ancient you don't want > to miss it. Just as I still miss that wonderful Fahrvergnuegen of my > first car... > > Tried it on two laptops, a Dell and a new Twinhead that surprisingly > also came with a RS232 serial port. Neither recognized that anything > "new" was connected nor could I find any setup in Windows (one is XP, > the other NT/2000). I am sure I can dig out the old mouse drivers but > they are from the days when Windows were still those glass thingies that > you use Windex on. > > How do you get an old serial port mouse working on a "modern" laptop? >Windows does not detect a serial mouse to well if you already have one in the PS2 port. the simplest thing to do is to get a RS-232 9pin to PS2 serial port adapter. -- "I'm never wrong, once i thought i was, but was mistaken" Real Programmers Do things like this. http://webpages.charter.net/jamie_5
Reply by ●January 19, 20072007-01-19
Jamie wrote:> Joerg wrote: > >> Since I have to do a largish schematic and won't be in the office the >> whole time I wanted to connect my trusty old trackball to a laptop. >> This old mouse still boasts a, gasp, 9-pin serial connector. But you >> know how it is, when you get used to a tool no matter how ancient you >> don't want to miss it. Just as I still miss that wonderful >> Fahrvergnuegen of my first car... >> >> Tried it on two laptops, a Dell and a new Twinhead that surprisingly >> also came with a RS232 serial port. Neither recognized that anything >> "new" was connected nor could I find any setup in Windows (one is XP, >> the other NT/2000). I am sure I can dig out the old mouse drivers but >> they are from the days when Windows were still those glass thingies >> that you use Windex on. >> >> How do you get an old serial port mouse working on a "modern" laptop? >> > Windows does not detect a serial mouse to well if you already have one > in the PS2 port. > the simplest thing to do is to get a RS-232 9pin to PS2 serial port > adapter. >Currently there is nothing in the PS2 port. But the laptops, of course, do have a touchpad. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com
Reply by ●January 20, 20072007-01-20
On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 02:24:58 +0100, Stef <stef33d@yahooI-N-V-A-L-I-D.com.invalid> wrote:>In comp.arch.embedded, >Peter Bennett <peterbb@somewhere.invalid> wrote: >> On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:38:35 GMT, Joerg >><notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote: >>> >>>How do you get an old serial port mouse working on a "modern" laptop? >> >> Plug it in _before_ booting, and perhaps wiggle it around as Windoze >> is looking for devices. Alternatively, connect a GPS receiver sending >> NMEA data before booting - Windoze usually recognizes that as a serial >> mouse. >> >Oh yes, it will see a NMEA device as a mouse. Real treat every time I start >my pc and forget to unplug the GPS, my mouse cursor is all over the place.You can fix that problem by adding \NoSerialMice to the boot.ini. Search the MS knowledge base to make sure I am correct (it is something like that). You can also stop windows enumerating serial devices in the registry if you are real keen. TAke note though, it is different from XP and NT, so you have to check the MS knowledge base.
Reply by ●January 20, 20072007-01-20
"Joerg" <notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote in message news:vTash.2588$O02.10@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net...> Since I have to do a largish schematic and won't be in the office the > whole time I wanted to connect my trusty old trackball to a laptop. This > old mouse still boasts a, gasp, 9-pin serial connector. But you know how > it is, when you get used to a tool no matter how ancient you don't want to > miss it. Just as I still miss that wonderful Fahrvergnuegen of my first > car... > > Tried it on two laptops, a Dell and a new Twinhead that surprisingly also > came with a RS232 serial port. Neither recognized that anything "new" was > connected nor could I find any setup in Windows (one is XP, the other > NT/2000). I am sure I can dig out the old mouse drivers but they are from > the days when Windows were still those glass thingies that you use Windex > on. > > How do you get an old serial port mouse working on a "modern" laptop? > > -- > Regards, Joerg > > http://www.analogconsultants.comCock You use Eagle and I know that Eagle has some reverse Polish notation about the way it forces you to lay out tracks so there is a good chance that the rest of it is cock as well so I 100% know that since all of Eagle is fucking broken you only want to use your trackball because you have been forced to use Eagle because you bought it and have learned how to do it with your trackball and now there is no way you are going to admit to the fact it is cock. DNA
Reply by ●January 20, 20072007-01-20
"Joerg" <notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote in message news:JIesh.17306$Gw4.8802@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net...> Jim Thompson wrote: >[snip]>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Isn't there a simple adapter to convert between serial and PS/2? >>>>>> >>>>>>AND: Haven't you already wasted $50 of your time trying to be >>>>>>cheap-ass, when a new track-ball can be had for $49 ?:-) >>>>>> >>>>>>I thought you would have learned that time is money by now ;-) >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I do. But there comes a time when I need a little breather from staring >>>>>at a CAD screen or figuring out how to cram umpteen analog functions >>>>>into the space of about two quarters. Also, it's not about money, I >>>>>like this old mouse and I know it won't give cramps like most others. >>>>> >>>>>BTW, Logitech says on their site that their driver (MouseWare) will not >>>>>support serial mice under 2k and XP. Great. But they did say that 2k >>>>>and XP have native drivers for that. Question is, who knows where? >>>> >>>> >>>>Try turning off the machine. Plug in track-ball. Boot up. See if >>>>pointer moves. I'd bet that it will. >>>> >>> >>>Tried that on both machines. No trabajo :-( >> >> >> Maybe the serial port is a fake ?:-) >> > > No :-) > > It's done some serial com already. > > -- > Regards, JoergDo you have "Fast User Switching" turned on? MS Help mentions that Serial Devices can be used for people with handicaps and hooked up to Serial Ports but only with turning off that option in WindowsXP. Search Help on "SerialKey device" Robert
Reply by ●January 20, 20072007-01-20
On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 07:18:36 GMT, "Robert" <Robert@yahoo.com> wrote:> >"Joerg" <notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote in message >news:JIesh.17306$Gw4.8802@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net... >> Jim Thompson wrote: >>[snip]>>> Maybe the serial port is a fake ?:-) >>> >> >> No :-) >> >> It's done some serial com already. >> >> -- >> Regards, Joerg > >Do you have "Fast User Switching" turned on? > >MS Help mentions that Serial Devices can be used for people with handicaps >and hooked up to Serial Ports but only with turning off that option in >WindowsXP. > >Search Help on "SerialKey device" > >Robert >There you go, Joerg. Right under both our noses. Thanks, Robert! Stored away for later use. ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | | | E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat | | http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
