Sorry, Paul. You've been very helpful in the past to me in all my problems
as I was learning to work with the Rowley compiler and the CrossConnect. I
probably shouldn't have implied any ignorance of slang on your part --
since you put up with it enough from me in the past on my Rowley problem
reports. It's just something that came out when I saw "Because that's
the price they set for it?" Sorry.
8-)
--- In l..., "warm38spl" wrote:
>
> Nice features, but iffn you dont got no parallel port, whaddya do?
(translation of 'Merkun slang for those, like Paul, across the pond: If,
however, your computer lacks a parallel port, what can you do to utilize those
features?)
>
> --- In l..., "Paul Curtis" wrote:
LPC210x JTAG
Started by ●May 21, 2011
Reply by ●May 24, 20112011-05-24
Reply by ●May 24, 20112011-05-24
No worries, no offence taken. I'm quite laid back. Literally. :-)
Regards,
-- Paul.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: l... [mailto:l...] On
> Behalf Of warm38spl
> Sent: 24 May 2011 5:06 PM
> To: l...
> Subject: [lpc2000] Re: LPC210x JTAG
>
> Sorry, Paul. You've been very helpful in the past to me in all my
problems as I
> was learning to work with the Rowley compiler and the CrossConnect. I
> probably shouldn't have implied any ignorance of slang on your part --
since
> you put up with it enough from me in the past on my Rowley problem
> reports. It's just something that came out when I saw "Because that's the
> price they set for it?" Sorry.
>
> 8-)
>
> --- In l..., "warm38spl" wrote:
> >
> > Nice features, but iffn you dont got no parallel port, whaddya do?
> (translation of 'Merkun slang for those, like Paul, across the pond: If,
> however, your computer lacks a parallel port, what can you do to utilize
> those features?)
> >
> > --- In l..., "Paul Curtis" wrote:
>
>
Regards,
-- Paul.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: l... [mailto:l...] On
> Behalf Of warm38spl
> Sent: 24 May 2011 5:06 PM
> To: l...
> Subject: [lpc2000] Re: LPC210x JTAG
>
> Sorry, Paul. You've been very helpful in the past to me in all my
problems as I
> was learning to work with the Rowley compiler and the CrossConnect. I
> probably shouldn't have implied any ignorance of slang on your part --
since
> you put up with it enough from me in the past on my Rowley problem
> reports. It's just something that came out when I saw "Because that's the
> price they set for it?" Sorry.
>
> 8-)
>
> --- In l..., "warm38spl" wrote:
> >
> > Nice features, but iffn you dont got no parallel port, whaddya do?
> (translation of 'Merkun slang for those, like Paul, across the pond: If,
> however, your computer lacks a parallel port, what can you do to utilize
> those features?)
> >
> > --- In l..., "Paul Curtis" wrote:
>
>
Reply by ●May 24, 20112011-05-24
Laptops don't have PCI. PCMCIA parallel ports are $50+.
I never thought of them. I wish you had mentioned that a couple of years ago. ...Oh, yeah, the topic hadn't come up... good reason. 8-)
This opens up a whold new world. Thanks, Paul.
--- In l..., "Paul Curtis" wrote:
>
> Why not plug one in on a PCI card? They're about $15.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: l... [mailto:l...] On
> > Behalf Of warm38spl
> > Sent: 24 May 2011 4:58 PM
> > To: l...
> > Subject: [lpc2000] Re: LPC210x JTAG
> >
> > Nice features, but iffn you dont got no parallel port, whaddya do?
> > (translation of 'Merkun slang for those, like Paul, across the pond: If,
> > however, your computer lacks a parallel port, what can you do to utilize
> > those features?)
> >
> > --- In l..., "Paul Curtis" wrote:
> > >
> > > > but i dont consider its worth that price.
> > >
> > > That's OK. Nobody is forcing you, or anyone else, to buy it.
> > >
> > > > its my opinion but look at the facts... its slower and doesnt work
> > > > on
> > > linux...
> > >
> > > For downloading, yes it can be slower into RAM. But if you're
> > > flashing a device, the bottleneck is the flash programming. It has
> > > zero latency, which is a major when in debugging--it's
> > > ultra-responsive, unlike USB devices which have the 1ms turn-around
> time.
> > >
> > > > most USB tools are faster and do work on linux and can be had for
> > > > about
> > > 1/3 of the price...
> > >
> > > The wiggler works on Linux to; we made it do that. As for USB being
> > > faster, probably only for downloading, but the wiggler is much
> > > snappier when debugging.
> > >
> > > -- Paul.
> >
> >
> > > > > > > http://www.macraigor.com/wiggler.htm
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Leon
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
I never thought of them. I wish you had mentioned that a couple of years ago. ...Oh, yeah, the topic hadn't come up... good reason. 8-)
This opens up a whold new world. Thanks, Paul.
--- In l..., "Paul Curtis" wrote:
>
> Why not plug one in on a PCI card? They're about $15.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: l... [mailto:l...] On
> > Behalf Of warm38spl
> > Sent: 24 May 2011 4:58 PM
> > To: l...
> > Subject: [lpc2000] Re: LPC210x JTAG
> >
> > Nice features, but iffn you dont got no parallel port, whaddya do?
> > (translation of 'Merkun slang for those, like Paul, across the pond: If,
> > however, your computer lacks a parallel port, what can you do to utilize
> > those features?)
> >
> > --- In l..., "Paul Curtis" wrote:
> > >
> > > > but i dont consider its worth that price.
> > >
> > > That's OK. Nobody is forcing you, or anyone else, to buy it.
> > >
> > > > its my opinion but look at the facts... its slower and doesnt work
> > > > on
> > > linux...
> > >
> > > For downloading, yes it can be slower into RAM. But if you're
> > > flashing a device, the bottleneck is the flash programming. It has
> > > zero latency, which is a major when in debugging--it's
> > > ultra-responsive, unlike USB devices which have the 1ms turn-around
> time.
> > >
> > > > most USB tools are faster and do work on linux and can be had for
> > > > about
> > > 1/3 of the price...
> > >
> > > The wiggler works on Linux to; we made it do that. As for USB being
> > > faster, probably only for downloading, but the wiggler is much
> > > snappier when debugging.
> > >
> > > -- Paul.
> >
> >
> > > > > > > http://www.macraigor.com/wiggler.htm
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Leon
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
Reply by ●May 24, 20112011-05-24
Hi,
> Laptops don't have PCI. PCMCIA parallel ports are $50+.
PCMCIA (CardBus) is the same as PCI. So I think laptops do have PCI. ;-)
> I never thought of them. I wish you had mentioned that a couple of years
> ago. ...Oh, yeah, the topic hadn't come up... good reason. 8-)
>
> This opens up a whold new world. Thanks, Paul.
The Olimex clone wiggler is really inexpensive.
-- Paul.
> Laptops don't have PCI. PCMCIA parallel ports are $50+.
PCMCIA (CardBus) is the same as PCI. So I think laptops do have PCI. ;-)
> I never thought of them. I wish you had mentioned that a couple of years
> ago. ...Oh, yeah, the topic hadn't come up... good reason. 8-)
>
> This opens up a whold new world. Thanks, Paul.
The Olimex clone wiggler is really inexpensive.
-- Paul.
Reply by ●May 24, 20112011-05-24
On 24/05/2011 13:20, Jason wrote:
> I also wondered why the heck is this $150?
It is over-priced. Atmel gave me one with an evaluation board at a
seminar when they launched their ARM chips.
I designed a copy of it which costs about $20 to make, I think the PCB
design is in the Files area. Mine works at a much higher speed than the
real thing, which has a badly designed PCB.
Leon
--
Leon Heller
G1HSM
> I also wondered why the heck is this $150?
It is over-priced. Atmel gave me one with an evaluation board at a
seminar when they launched their ARM chips.
I designed a copy of it which costs about $20 to make, I think the PCB
design is in the Files area. Mine works at a much higher speed than the
real thing, which has a badly designed PCB.
Leon
--
Leon Heller
G1HSM
Reply by ●May 24, 20112011-05-24
On 24/05/2011 13:37, Jason wrote:
> but i dont consider its worth that price. its my opinion but look at the facts... its slower and doesnt work on linux... most USB tools are faster and do work on linux and can be had for about 1/3 of the price...
There weren't many JTAG interfaces available when they developed it. It
was some years ago.
Leon
--
Leon Heller
G1HSM
> but i dont consider its worth that price. its my opinion but look at the facts... its slower and doesnt work on linux... most USB tools are faster and do work on linux and can be had for about 1/3 of the price...
There weren't many JTAG interfaces available when they developed it. It
was some years ago.
Leon
--
Leon Heller
G1HSM
Reply by ●May 24, 20112011-05-24
--- In l..., "Paul Curtis" wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> > Laptops don't have PCI. PCMCIA parallel ports are $50+.
>
> PCMCIA (CardBus) is the same as PCI. So I think laptops do have PCI. ;-)
Laptops to NOT have a "PCI card slot" like a desktop PC. So there. 8-b
> > I never thought of them. I wish you had mentioned that a couple of years
> > ago. ...Oh, yeah, the topic hadn't come up... good reason. 8-)
> >
> > This opens up a whold new world. Thanks, Paul.
>
> The Olimex clone wiggler is really inexpensive.
>
> -- Paul.
Hmmmmm... $20 at mouser.com....hmmmm... AND they work with the Rowley interface. Cool. So maybe, just maybe, I can directly talk to the NewMicros.com NMIN-2106-USB-1 20-pin JTAG without an adapter with a pile of pull-up/down resistors. OK, you sold me. My order is in. Thanks.
>
> Hi,
>
> > Laptops don't have PCI. PCMCIA parallel ports are $50+.
>
> PCMCIA (CardBus) is the same as PCI. So I think laptops do have PCI. ;-)
Laptops to NOT have a "PCI card slot" like a desktop PC. So there. 8-b
> > I never thought of them. I wish you had mentioned that a couple of years
> > ago. ...Oh, yeah, the topic hadn't come up... good reason. 8-)
> >
> > This opens up a whold new world. Thanks, Paul.
>
> The Olimex clone wiggler is really inexpensive.
>
> -- Paul.
Hmmmmm... $20 at mouser.com....hmmmm... AND they work with the Rowley interface. Cool. So maybe, just maybe, I can directly talk to the NewMicros.com NMIN-2106-USB-1 20-pin JTAG without an adapter with a pile of pull-up/down resistors. OK, you sold me. My order is in. Thanks.
Reply by ●May 24, 20112011-05-24
Hi,
> --- In l..., "Paul Curtis" wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > > Laptops don't have PCI. PCMCIA parallel ports are $50+.
> >
> > PCMCIA (CardBus) is the same as PCI. So I think laptops do have PCI.
> > ;-)
>
> Laptops to NOT have a "PCI card slot" like a desktop PC. So there. 8-b
I beg to differ. I specifically mentioned CardBus.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PC_Card
"CardBus is effectively a 32-bit, 33 MHz PCI bus in the PC Card form
factor".
-- Paul.
> --- In l..., "Paul Curtis" wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > > Laptops don't have PCI. PCMCIA parallel ports are $50+.
> >
> > PCMCIA (CardBus) is the same as PCI. So I think laptops do have PCI.
> > ;-)
>
> Laptops to NOT have a "PCI card slot" like a desktop PC. So there. 8-b
I beg to differ. I specifically mentioned CardBus.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PC_Card
"CardBus is effectively a 32-bit, 33 MHz PCI bus in the PC Card form
factor".
-- Paul.
Reply by ●May 25, 20112011-05-25
Heh price does suck then but Parallel still has it advantages... I can make a
wiggler for about under $10 heh
Oh yeah im opening shop.. http://atomsofttech.com/store/
Will be sure to make a wiggler and put it there soon
--- In l..., Leon Heller wrote:
>
> On 24/05/2011 13:20, Jason wrote:
> > I also wondered why the heck is this $150?
> It is over-priced. Atmel gave me one with an evaluation board at a
> seminar when they launched their ARM chips.
>
> I designed a copy of it which costs about $20 to make, I think the PCB
> design is in the Files area. Mine works at a much higher speed than the
> real thing, which has a badly designed PCB.
>
> Leon
> --
> Leon Heller
> G1HSM
>
Oh yeah im opening shop.. http://atomsofttech.com/store/
Will be sure to make a wiggler and put it there soon
--- In l..., Leon Heller wrote:
>
> On 24/05/2011 13:20, Jason wrote:
> > I also wondered why the heck is this $150?
> It is over-priced. Atmel gave me one with an evaluation board at a
> seminar when they launched their ARM chips.
>
> I designed a copy of it which costs about $20 to make, I think the PCB
> design is in the Files area. Mine works at a much higher speed than the
> real thing, which has a badly designed PCB.
>
> Leon
> --
> Leon Heller
> G1HSM
>
Reply by ●May 25, 20112011-05-25
I'm not really sure you should be admitting to coping someone else's
design! My GOD! Two days wining about the price of a JTag ... this forum has
really gone down hill. If you don't like the development industry then go
do some thing else. People's time and effort for development and
manufacturing are worth money if you don't like the price of something then
don't buy it. I can't believe you work in this industry and complain
about a lousy $150.
________________________________
From: l... [mailto:l...] On Behalf Of Jason
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 8:23 AM
To: l...
Subject: [lpc2000] Re: LPC210x JTAG
Heh price does suck then but Parallel still has it advantages... I can make a wiggler for about under $10 heh
Oh yeah im opening shop.. http://atomsofttech.com/store/
Will be sure to make a wiggler and put it there soon
--- In l..., Leon Heller wrote:
>
> On 24/05/2011 13:20, Jason wrote:
> > I also wondered why the heck is this $150?
> It is over-priced. Atmel gave me one with an evaluation board at a
> seminar when they launched their ARM chips.
>
> I designed a copy of it which costs about $20 to make, I think the PCB
> design is in the Files area. Mine works at a much higher speed than the
> real thing, which has a badly designed PCB.
>
> Leon
> --
> Leon Heller
> G1HSM
>
________________________________
From: l... [mailto:l...] On Behalf Of Jason
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 8:23 AM
To: l...
Subject: [lpc2000] Re: LPC210x JTAG
Heh price does suck then but Parallel still has it advantages... I can make a wiggler for about under $10 heh
Oh yeah im opening shop.. http://atomsofttech.com/store/
Will be sure to make a wiggler and put it there soon
--- In l..., Leon Heller wrote:
>
> On 24/05/2011 13:20, Jason wrote:
> > I also wondered why the heck is this $150?
> It is over-priced. Atmel gave me one with an evaluation board at a
> seminar when they launched their ARM chips.
>
> I designed a copy of it which costs about $20 to make, I think the PCB
> design is in the Files area. Mine works at a much higher speed than the
> real thing, which has a badly designed PCB.
>
> Leon
> --
> Leon Heller
> G1HSM
>
