2K of ram!! I only had 2K memory - main and ram combined (magnetic core
memory). You would be surprised at how many things you could do with this.
Peter
-----Original Message-----
From: m... [mailto:m...] On Behalf Of
Onestone
Sent: Monday, 1 July 2013 5:31 PM
To: m...
Subject: Re: [msp430] Re: Is the MSP430 a dead end
2K of RAM, sheer luxury Lad, when I wus a yung lad the only RAM we'uns
'ad
...
Sorry, memories of Monty Python got the better of me for a moment there!
Al
On 1/07/2013 5:10 PM, Matthias Weingart wrote:
> "Kaiser442" :
>
>> Nobody uses Yahoo groups anymore... It's just not a place people
>> think to look for information.
>>
>> I would not use activity on the list to infer anything about the use
>> of
>> MSP430 processors.
> The web-yahoo platform is as worse as the E2E platform from TI, only
> the few people - that managed to set up the mailing list feature of
> the yahoo group - are still here (I think) :-). I also see the drop
> down in mailing list (and usenet newsgroups) traffik: Reasons are
> mostly: people go to the web forums; many questions are answered in
> wikis (and web forums) - so no need to ask a question - and in case
> your are googling for a MSP430 related problem - you get a link to
> these web-forums, not to this mailing list. As a new user - you will
> probaly enter this web forums instead of this group and ask there the
questions.
> I will only switch to ARM in case I need >128MB RAM;
still too power
> hungry and big that beasts :-). Energy micro chips are not as nice as
> it would expect (I fully agree to Al's comments). The MSP3430's are
a
> nice chip family; however - today you have much more low power chips to
choose from...
>
> Things change: what I see is now are the "Makers". People that like to
> create things - many of them are having a RepRap (3D printer), use
> ready made electronic modules (Arduino, Raspberrypie) and live in the
> new communities (facebook and co). It is a new kind of movement I
> think - not like us old hackers - with secret spartanic lists and only
> 2k RAM. :-)
>
> M.
>
>
Is the MSP430 a dead end
Started by ●June 28, 2013
Reply by ●July 1, 20132013-07-01
Reply by ●July 2, 20132013-07-02
I was lucky, I had 8Kb of total core memory. It was an 2”wide *
12”high * 12”deep, and it weighed 22lbs.
The fastest OpCode for that CPU was a NOP which took 6uS to execute.
From: m... [mailto:m...] On Behalf Of Peter Grey
Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 9:25 PM
To: m...
Subject: RE: [msp430] Re: Is the MSP430 a dead end
2K of ram!! I only had 2K memory - main and ram combined (magnetic core
memory). You would be surprised at how many things you could do with this.
Peter
-----Original Message-----
From: m... [mailto:msp4... ] On Behalf Of
Onestone
Sent: Monday, 1 July 2013 5:31 PM
To: m...
Subject: Re: [msp430] Re: Is the MSP430 a dead end
2K of RAM, sheer luxury Lad, when I wus a yung lad the only RAM we'uns 'ad
...
Sorry, memories of Monty Python got the better of me for a moment there!
Al
On 1/07/2013 5:10 PM, Matthias Weingart wrote:
> "Kaiser442" >:
>
>> Nobody uses Yahoo groups anymore... It's just not a place people
>> think to look for information.
>>
>> I would not use activity on the list to infer anything about the use
>> of
>> MSP430 processors.
> The web-yahoo platform is as worse as the E2E platform from TI, only
> the few people - that managed to set up the mailing list feature of
> the yahoo group - are still here (I think) :-). I also see the drop
> down in mailing list (and usenet newsgroups) traffik: Reasons are
> mostly: people go to the web forums; many questions are answered in
> wikis (and web forums) - so no need to ask a question - and in case
> your are googling for a MSP430 related problem - you get a link to
> these web-forums, not to this mailing list. As a new user - you will
> probaly enter this web forums instead of this group and ask there the
questions.
> I will only switch to ARM in case I need >128MB RAM; still too power
> hungry and big that beasts :-). Energy micro chips are not as nice as
> it would expect (I fully agree to Al's comments). The MSP3430's are a
> nice chip family; however - today you have much more low power chips to
choose from...
>
> Things change: what I see is now are the "Makers". People that like to
> create things - many of them are having a RepRap (3D printer), use
> ready made electronic modules (Arduino, Raspberrypie) and live in the
> new communities (facebook and co). It is a new kind of movement I
> think - not like us old hackers - with secret spartanic lists and only
> 2k RAM. :-)
>
> M.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
The fastest OpCode for that CPU was a NOP which took 6uS to execute.
From: m... [mailto:m...] On Behalf Of Peter Grey
Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 9:25 PM
To: m...
Subject: RE: [msp430] Re: Is the MSP430 a dead end
2K of ram!! I only had 2K memory - main and ram combined (magnetic core
memory). You would be surprised at how many things you could do with this.
Peter
-----Original Message-----
From: m... [mailto:msp4... ] On Behalf Of
Onestone
Sent: Monday, 1 July 2013 5:31 PM
To: m...
Subject: Re: [msp430] Re: Is the MSP430 a dead end
2K of RAM, sheer luxury Lad, when I wus a yung lad the only RAM we'uns 'ad
...
Sorry, memories of Monty Python got the better of me for a moment there!
Al
On 1/07/2013 5:10 PM, Matthias Weingart wrote:
> "Kaiser442" >:
>
>> Nobody uses Yahoo groups anymore... It's just not a place people
>> think to look for information.
>>
>> I would not use activity on the list to infer anything about the use
>> of
>> MSP430 processors.
> The web-yahoo platform is as worse as the E2E platform from TI, only
> the few people - that managed to set up the mailing list feature of
> the yahoo group - are still here (I think) :-). I also see the drop
> down in mailing list (and usenet newsgroups) traffik: Reasons are
> mostly: people go to the web forums; many questions are answered in
> wikis (and web forums) - so no need to ask a question - and in case
> your are googling for a MSP430 related problem - you get a link to
> these web-forums, not to this mailing list. As a new user - you will
> probaly enter this web forums instead of this group and ask there the
questions.
> I will only switch to ARM in case I need >128MB RAM; still too power
> hungry and big that beasts :-). Energy micro chips are not as nice as
> it would expect (I fully agree to Al's comments). The MSP3430's are a
> nice chip family; however - today you have much more low power chips to
choose from...
>
> Things change: what I see is now are the "Makers". People that like to
> create things - many of them are having a RepRap (3D printer), use
> ready made electronic modules (Arduino, Raspberrypie) and live in the
> new communities (facebook and co). It is a new kind of movement I
> think - not like us old hackers - with secret spartanic lists and only
> 2k RAM. :-)
>
> M.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Reply by ●July 2, 20132013-07-02
Hi,
2K, 8K boy you were lucky.
I had 0 (zero) K.
Ok, it was a analog computer.
But we launched en controlled missiles with it.
Big 2 stage 12 meter long beasts that reached Mach 2 in 2 seconds!
How about that for 0K memory!
It's OK if your memory is 0, it's the brain that counts 54321 ;-))
Henk Siewert
http://swtrocketry.com
--- In m..., "Hugo Brunert" wrote:
>
> I was lucky, I had 8Kb of total core memory. It was an 2”wide * 12”high * 12”deep, and it weighed 22lbs.
>
> The fastest OpCode for that CPU was a NOP which took 6uS to execute.
>
>
>
> From: m... [mailto:m...] On Behalf Of Peter Grey
> Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 9:25 PM
> To: m...
> Subject: RE: [msp430] Re: Is the MSP430 a dead end
>
>
>
>
>
> 2K of ram!! I only had 2K memory - main and ram combined (magnetic core
> memory). You would be surprised at how many things you could do with this.
>
> Peter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: m... [mailto:ms... ] On Behalf Of
> Onestone
> Sent: Monday, 1 July 2013 5:31 PM
> To: m...
> Subject: Re: [msp430] Re: Is the MSP430 a dead end
>
> 2K of RAM, sheer luxury Lad, when I wus a yung lad the only RAM we'uns 'ad
> ...
>
> Sorry, memories of Monty Python got the better of me for a moment there!
>
> Al
>
> On 1/07/2013 5:10 PM, Matthias Weingart wrote:
> > "Kaiser442" >:
> >
> >> Nobody uses Yahoo groups anymore... It's just not a place people
> >> think to look for information.
> >>
> >> I would not use activity on the list to infer anything about the use
> >> of
> >> MSP430 processors.
> > The web-yahoo platform is as worse as the E2E platform from TI, only
> > the few people - that managed to set up the mailing list feature of
> > the yahoo group - are still here (I think) :-). I also see the drop
> > down in mailing list (and usenet newsgroups) traffik: Reasons are
> > mostly: people go to the web forums; many questions are answered in
> > wikis (and web forums) - so no need to ask a question - and in case
> > your are googling for a MSP430 related problem - you get a link to
> > these web-forums, not to this mailing list. As a new user - you will
> > probaly enter this web forums instead of this group and ask there the
> questions.
> > I will only switch to ARM in case I need >128MB RAM; still too power
> > hungry and big that beasts :-). Energy micro chips are not as nice as
> > it would expect (I fully agree to Al's comments). The MSP3430's are a
> > nice chip family; however - today you have much more low power chips to
> choose from...
> >
> > Things change: what I see is now are the "Makers". People that like to
> > create things - many of them are having a RepRap (3D printer), use
> > ready made electronic modules (Arduino, Raspberrypie) and live in the
> > new communities (facebook and co). It is a new kind of movement I
> > think - not like us old hackers - with secret spartanic lists and only
> > 2k RAM. :-)
> >
> > M.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
2K, 8K boy you were lucky.
I had 0 (zero) K.
Ok, it was a analog computer.
But we launched en controlled missiles with it.
Big 2 stage 12 meter long beasts that reached Mach 2 in 2 seconds!
How about that for 0K memory!
It's OK if your memory is 0, it's the brain that counts 54321 ;-))
Henk Siewert
http://swtrocketry.com
--- In m..., "Hugo Brunert" wrote:
>
> I was lucky, I had 8Kb of total core memory. It was an 2”wide * 12”high * 12”deep, and it weighed 22lbs.
>
> The fastest OpCode for that CPU was a NOP which took 6uS to execute.
>
>
>
> From: m... [mailto:m...] On Behalf Of Peter Grey
> Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 9:25 PM
> To: m...
> Subject: RE: [msp430] Re: Is the MSP430 a dead end
>
>
>
>
>
> 2K of ram!! I only had 2K memory - main and ram combined (magnetic core
> memory). You would be surprised at how many things you could do with this.
>
> Peter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: m... [mailto:ms... ] On Behalf Of
> Onestone
> Sent: Monday, 1 July 2013 5:31 PM
> To: m...
> Subject: Re: [msp430] Re: Is the MSP430 a dead end
>
> 2K of RAM, sheer luxury Lad, when I wus a yung lad the only RAM we'uns 'ad
> ...
>
> Sorry, memories of Monty Python got the better of me for a moment there!
>
> Al
>
> On 1/07/2013 5:10 PM, Matthias Weingart wrote:
> > "Kaiser442" >:
> >
> >> Nobody uses Yahoo groups anymore... It's just not a place people
> >> think to look for information.
> >>
> >> I would not use activity on the list to infer anything about the use
> >> of
> >> MSP430 processors.
> > The web-yahoo platform is as worse as the E2E platform from TI, only
> > the few people - that managed to set up the mailing list feature of
> > the yahoo group - are still here (I think) :-). I also see the drop
> > down in mailing list (and usenet newsgroups) traffik: Reasons are
> > mostly: people go to the web forums; many questions are answered in
> > wikis (and web forums) - so no need to ask a question - and in case
> > your are googling for a MSP430 related problem - you get a link to
> > these web-forums, not to this mailing list. As a new user - you will
> > probaly enter this web forums instead of this group and ask there the
> questions.
> > I will only switch to ARM in case I need >128MB RAM; still too power
> > hungry and big that beasts :-). Energy micro chips are not as nice as
> > it would expect (I fully agree to Al's comments). The MSP3430's are a
> > nice chip family; however - today you have much more low power chips to
> choose from...
> >
> > Things change: what I see is now are the "Makers". People that like to
> > create things - many of them are having a RepRap (3D printer), use
> > ready made electronic modules (Arduino, Raspberrypie) and live in the
> > new communities (facebook and co). It is a new kind of movement I
> > think - not like us old hackers - with secret spartanic lists and only
> > 2k RAM. :-)
> >
> > M.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
Reply by ●July 2, 20132013-07-02
My first computer was the pocket calculator, invented by we british in
1287. We were such an indolent lot that we always walked around with our
hands in our pockets, hence we selected base 12 for our currency.
My very first electronic computer was home made with a 25A power supply
and a massive 256 bytes of RAM. It was about the size of a modern
multi-function printer, but seemed to weigh as much as a small car.
That's if you don't count the old valve adder with Nixies.
Being perverse I liked trying to make ridiculously constrained systems
do unconstrained things, and probably still do if I'm honest about it.
Being really perverse I love the fact that embedded systems has become
more accesible to people due to higher level languages and better tools,
and hardware with memory and power to burn, but on the other side I hate
the tendency to throw insane power at simple tasks that don't need it.
Al
On 2/07/2013 8:56 PM, Hugo Brunert wrote:
> I was lucky, I had 8Kb of total core memory. It was an 2”wide * 12”high * 12”deep, and it weighed 22lbs.
>
> The fastest OpCode for that CPU was a NOP which took 6uS to execute.
>
>
>
> From: m... [mailto:m...] On Behalf Of Peter Grey
>
> Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 9:25 PM
>
> To: m...
>
> Subject: RE: [msp430] Re: Is the MSP430 a dead end
>
>
>
>
>
> 2K of ram!! I only had 2K memory - main and ram combined (magnetic core
>
> memory). You would be surprised at how many things you could do with this.
>
> Peter
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: m... [mailto:m... ] On Behalf Of
>
> Onestone
>
> Sent: Monday, 1 July 2013 5:31 PM
>
> To: m... Subject: Re: [msp430] Re: Is the MSP430 a dead end
>
> 2K of RAM, sheer luxury Lad, when I wus a yung lad the only RAM we'uns 'ad
>
> ...
>
> Sorry, memories of Monty Python got the better of me for a moment there!
>
> Al
>
> On 1/07/2013 5:10 PM, Matthias Weingart wrote:
>
>> "Kaiser442" >:
>>> Nobody uses Yahoo groups anymore... It's just not a place people
>>> think to look for information.
>>> I would not use activity on the list to infer anything about the use
>>> of
>>> MSP430 processors.
>> The web-yahoo platform is as worse as the E2E platform from TI, only
>> the few people - that managed to set up the mailing list feature of
>> the yahoo group - are still here (I think) :-). I also see the drop
>> down in mailing list (and usenet newsgroups) traffik: Reasons are
>> mostly: people go to the web forums; many questions are answered in
>> wikis (and web forums) - so no need to ask a question - and in case
>> your are googling for a MSP430 related problem - you get a link to
>> these web-forums, not to this mailing list. As a new user - you will
>> probaly enter this web forums instead of this group and ask there the
> questions.
>
>> I will only switch to ARM in case I need >128MB RAM; still too power
>> hungry and big that beasts :-). Energy micro chips are not as nice as
>> it would expect (I fully agree to Al's comments). The MSP3430's are a
>> nice chip family; however - today you have much more low power chips to
> choose from...
>
>> Things change: what I see is now are the "Makers". People that like to
>> create things - many of them are having a RepRap (3D printer), use
>> ready made electronic modules (Arduino, Raspberrypie) and live in the
>> new communities (facebook and co). It is a new kind of movement I
>> think - not like us old hackers - with secret spartanic lists and only
>> 2k RAM. :-)
>> M.
>>
>>
>>
1287. We were such an indolent lot that we always walked around with our
hands in our pockets, hence we selected base 12 for our currency.
My very first electronic computer was home made with a 25A power supply
and a massive 256 bytes of RAM. It was about the size of a modern
multi-function printer, but seemed to weigh as much as a small car.
That's if you don't count the old valve adder with Nixies.
Being perverse I liked trying to make ridiculously constrained systems
do unconstrained things, and probably still do if I'm honest about it.
Being really perverse I love the fact that embedded systems has become
more accesible to people due to higher level languages and better tools,
and hardware with memory and power to burn, but on the other side I hate
the tendency to throw insane power at simple tasks that don't need it.
Al
On 2/07/2013 8:56 PM, Hugo Brunert wrote:
> I was lucky, I had 8Kb of total core memory. It was an 2”wide * 12”high * 12”deep, and it weighed 22lbs.
>
> The fastest OpCode for that CPU was a NOP which took 6uS to execute.
>
>
>
> From: m... [mailto:m...] On Behalf Of Peter Grey
>
> Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 9:25 PM
>
> To: m...
>
> Subject: RE: [msp430] Re: Is the MSP430 a dead end
>
>
>
>
>
> 2K of ram!! I only had 2K memory - main and ram combined (magnetic core
>
> memory). You would be surprised at how many things you could do with this.
>
> Peter
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: m... [mailto:m... ] On Behalf Of
>
> Onestone
>
> Sent: Monday, 1 July 2013 5:31 PM
>
> To: m... Subject: Re: [msp430] Re: Is the MSP430 a dead end
>
> 2K of RAM, sheer luxury Lad, when I wus a yung lad the only RAM we'uns 'ad
>
> ...
>
> Sorry, memories of Monty Python got the better of me for a moment there!
>
> Al
>
> On 1/07/2013 5:10 PM, Matthias Weingart wrote:
>
>> "Kaiser442" >:
>>> Nobody uses Yahoo groups anymore... It's just not a place people
>>> think to look for information.
>>> I would not use activity on the list to infer anything about the use
>>> of
>>> MSP430 processors.
>> The web-yahoo platform is as worse as the E2E platform from TI, only
>> the few people - that managed to set up the mailing list feature of
>> the yahoo group - are still here (I think) :-). I also see the drop
>> down in mailing list (and usenet newsgroups) traffik: Reasons are
>> mostly: people go to the web forums; many questions are answered in
>> wikis (and web forums) - so no need to ask a question - and in case
>> your are googling for a MSP430 related problem - you get a link to
>> these web-forums, not to this mailing list. As a new user - you will
>> probaly enter this web forums instead of this group and ask there the
> questions.
>
>> I will only switch to ARM in case I need >128MB RAM; still too power
>> hungry and big that beasts :-). Energy micro chips are not as nice as
>> it would expect (I fully agree to Al's comments). The MSP3430's are a
>> nice chip family; however - today you have much more low power chips to
> choose from...
>
>> Things change: what I see is now are the "Makers". People that like to
>> create things - many of them are having a RepRap (3D printer), use
>> ready made electronic modules (Arduino, Raspberrypie) and live in the
>> new communities (facebook and co). It is a new kind of movement I
>> think - not like us old hackers - with secret spartanic lists and only
>> 2k RAM. :-)
>> M.
>>
>>
>>
Reply by ●July 2, 20132013-07-02
> ...but on the other side I hate
> the tendency to throw insane power at simple tasks that don't need it.
One assumes that this excludes motorsport? ;-)
--
Paul Curtis, Rowley Associates Ltd http://www.rowley.co.uk
SolderCore Development Platform http://www.soldercore.com
> the tendency to throw insane power at simple tasks that don't need it.
One assumes that this excludes motorsport? ;-)
--
Paul Curtis, Rowley Associates Ltd http://www.rowley.co.uk
SolderCore Development Platform http://www.soldercore.com
Reply by ●July 2, 20132013-07-02
Hi All,
I can add some info about the 43oh traffic as I admin it. The msp430
architecture is definitely not dead at least in terms of interest.
We were at the Bay Area Maker Faire these past two years( courtesy, TI).
The first year was a little difficult explaining to the crowd what the
msp430 was and how you can cheaply develop on it using the low cost
Launchpad($4.30, at that time). We had to use the word Arduino to get their
attention( also use it as an analogy), so that they could relate to it.
Most of the time, no one knew the Launchpad existed.
This year, Maker Faire was great. Big crowd and a lot of interest. Of
course, there were still those who had never heard about the Launchpad, but
mention Arduino and they could relate. They even immediately bought kits.
We also had about 50 BoosterPacks from the community displayed.
Traffic spikes to 43oh following the Maker Faires, which is bound to
happen. This was month and a half ago. The forum gets ~10-15
registrations/day now.. There are around 30-40 posts/replies daily. There
are alot of members on there who help/reply to people, for which I'm
thankful, not to mention, constantly designing new BoosterPacks.
Interesting thread here: STM32L vs. MSP430F5: What's left for
MSP430?
As long as TI keep the architecture updated with new features and easy
access to the hobbyist( some eventually become designers/developers), the
chip should be ok.
Hope this helps.
-G
On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Onestone wrote:
> **
> My first computer was the pocket calculator, invented by we british in
> 1287. We were such an indolent lot that we always walked around with our
> hands in our pockets, hence we selected base 12 for our currency.
>
> My very first electronic computer was home made with a 25A power supply
> and a massive 256 bytes of RAM. It was about the size of a modern
> multi-function printer, but seemed to weigh as much as a small car.
> That's if you don't count the old valve adder with Nixies.
>
> Being perverse I liked trying to make ridiculously constrained systems
> do unconstrained things, and probably still do if I'm honest about it.
>
> Being really perverse I love the fact that embedded systems has become
> more accesible to people due to higher level languages and better tools,
> and hardware with memory and power to burn, but on the other side I hate
> the tendency to throw insane power at simple tasks that don't need it.
>
> Al
> On 2/07/2013 8:56 PM, Hugo Brunert wrote:
> > I was lucky, I had 8Kb of total core memory. It was an 2wide * 12high
> * 12deep, and it weighed 22lbs.
> >
> >
> >
> > The fastest OpCode for that CPU was a NOP which took 6uS to execute.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: m... [mailto:m...] On Behalf
> Of Peter Grey
> >
> > Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 9:25 PM
> >
> > To: m...
> >
> > Subject: RE: [msp430] Re: Is the MSP430 a dead end
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 2K of ram!! I only had 2K memory - main and ram combined (magnetic core
> >
> > memory). You would be surprised at how many things you could do with
> this.
> >
> >
> >
> > Peter
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >
> > From: m... [mailto:
> m... ] On Behalf Of
> >
> > Onestone
> >
> > Sent: Monday, 1 July 2013 5:31 PM
> >
> > To: m...
> >
> > Subject: Re: [msp430] Re: Is the MSP430 a dead end
> >
> >
> >
> > 2K of RAM, sheer luxury Lad, when I wus a yung lad the only RAM we'uns
> 'ad
> >
> > ...
> >
> >
> >
> > Sorry, memories of Monty Python got the better of me for a moment there!
> >
> >
> >
> > Al
> >
> >
> >
> > On 1/07/2013 5:10 PM, Matthias Weingart wrote:
> >
> >> "Kaiser442" >:
> >>> Nobody uses Yahoo groups anymore... It's just not a place people
> >>> think to look for information.
> >>> I would not use activity on the list to infer anything about the use
> >>> of
> >>> MSP430 processors.
> >> The web-yahoo platform is as worse as the E2E platform from TI, only
> >> the few people - that managed to set up the mailing list feature of
> >> the yahoo group - are still here (I think) :-). I also see the drop
> >> down in mailing list (and usenet newsgroups) traffik: Reasons are
> >> mostly: people go to the web forums; many questions are answered in
> >> wikis (and web forums) - so no need to ask a question - and in case
> >> your are googling for a MSP430 related problem - you get a link to
> >> these web-forums, not to this mailing list. As a new user - you will
> >> probaly enter this web forums instead of this group and ask there the
> > questions.
> >
> >> I will only switch to ARM in case I need >128MB RAM; still too power
> >> hungry and big that beasts :-). Energy micro chips are not as nice as
> >> it would expect (I fully agree to Al's comments). The MSP3430's are a
> >> nice chip family; however - today you have much more low power chips to
> > choose from...
> >
> >> Things change: what I see is now are the "Makers". People that like to
> >> create things - many of them are having a RepRap (3D printer), use
> >> ready made electronic modules (Arduino, Raspberrypie) and live in the
> >> new communities (facebook and co). It is a new kind of movement I
> >> think - not like us old hackers - with secret spartanic lists and only
> >> 2k RAM. :-)
> >> M.
> >>
> >> > >
> >>
I can add some info about the 43oh traffic as I admin it. The msp430
architecture is definitely not dead at least in terms of interest.
We were at the Bay Area Maker Faire these past two years( courtesy, TI).
The first year was a little difficult explaining to the crowd what the
msp430 was and how you can cheaply develop on it using the low cost
Launchpad($4.30, at that time). We had to use the word Arduino to get their
attention( also use it as an analogy), so that they could relate to it.
Most of the time, no one knew the Launchpad existed.
This year, Maker Faire was great. Big crowd and a lot of interest. Of
course, there were still those who had never heard about the Launchpad, but
mention Arduino and they could relate. They even immediately bought kits.
We also had about 50 BoosterPacks from the community displayed.
Traffic spikes to 43oh following the Maker Faires, which is bound to
happen. This was month and a half ago. The forum gets ~10-15
registrations/day now.. There are around 30-40 posts/replies daily. There
are alot of members on there who help/reply to people, for which I'm
thankful, not to mention, constantly designing new BoosterPacks.
Interesting thread here: STM32L vs. MSP430F5: What's left for
MSP430?
As long as TI keep the architecture updated with new features and easy
access to the hobbyist( some eventually become designers/developers), the
chip should be ok.
Hope this helps.
-G
On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Onestone wrote:
> **
> My first computer was the pocket calculator, invented by we british in
> 1287. We were such an indolent lot that we always walked around with our
> hands in our pockets, hence we selected base 12 for our currency.
>
> My very first electronic computer was home made with a 25A power supply
> and a massive 256 bytes of RAM. It was about the size of a modern
> multi-function printer, but seemed to weigh as much as a small car.
> That's if you don't count the old valve adder with Nixies.
>
> Being perverse I liked trying to make ridiculously constrained systems
> do unconstrained things, and probably still do if I'm honest about it.
>
> Being really perverse I love the fact that embedded systems has become
> more accesible to people due to higher level languages and better tools,
> and hardware with memory and power to burn, but on the other side I hate
> the tendency to throw insane power at simple tasks that don't need it.
>
> Al
> On 2/07/2013 8:56 PM, Hugo Brunert wrote:
> > I was lucky, I had 8Kb of total core memory. It was an 2wide * 12high
> * 12deep, and it weighed 22lbs.
> >
> >
> >
> > The fastest OpCode for that CPU was a NOP which took 6uS to execute.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: m... [mailto:m...] On Behalf
> Of Peter Grey
> >
> > Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 9:25 PM
> >
> > To: m...
> >
> > Subject: RE: [msp430] Re: Is the MSP430 a dead end
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 2K of ram!! I only had 2K memory - main and ram combined (magnetic core
> >
> > memory). You would be surprised at how many things you could do with
> this.
> >
> >
> >
> > Peter
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >
> > From: m... [mailto:
> m... ] On Behalf Of
> >
> > Onestone
> >
> > Sent: Monday, 1 July 2013 5:31 PM
> >
> > To: m...
> >
> > Subject: Re: [msp430] Re: Is the MSP430 a dead end
> >
> >
> >
> > 2K of RAM, sheer luxury Lad, when I wus a yung lad the only RAM we'uns
> 'ad
> >
> > ...
> >
> >
> >
> > Sorry, memories of Monty Python got the better of me for a moment there!
> >
> >
> >
> > Al
> >
> >
> >
> > On 1/07/2013 5:10 PM, Matthias Weingart wrote:
> >
> >> "Kaiser442" >:
> >>> Nobody uses Yahoo groups anymore... It's just not a place people
> >>> think to look for information.
> >>> I would not use activity on the list to infer anything about the use
> >>> of
> >>> MSP430 processors.
> >> The web-yahoo platform is as worse as the E2E platform from TI, only
> >> the few people - that managed to set up the mailing list feature of
> >> the yahoo group - are still here (I think) :-). I also see the drop
> >> down in mailing list (and usenet newsgroups) traffik: Reasons are
> >> mostly: people go to the web forums; many questions are answered in
> >> wikis (and web forums) - so no need to ask a question - and in case
> >> your are googling for a MSP430 related problem - you get a link to
> >> these web-forums, not to this mailing list. As a new user - you will
> >> probaly enter this web forums instead of this group and ask there the
> > questions.
> >
> >> I will only switch to ARM in case I need >128MB RAM; still too power
> >> hungry and big that beasts :-). Energy micro chips are not as nice as
> >> it would expect (I fully agree to Al's comments). The MSP3430's are a
> >> nice chip family; however - today you have much more low power chips to
> > choose from...
> >
> >> Things change: what I see is now are the "Makers". People that like to
> >> create things - many of them are having a RepRap (3D printer), use
> >> ready made electronic modules (Arduino, Raspberrypie) and live in the
> >> new communities (facebook and co). It is a new kind of movement I
> >> think - not like us old hackers - with secret spartanic lists and only
> >> 2k RAM. :-)
> >> M.
> >>
> >> > >
> >>
Reply by ●July 2, 20132013-07-02
But motorsport isn't a simple task, and NEEDS the power, especially F1,
there is no such thing as enough power in an F1 car Ecclestone has it
all wrong!.
Al
On 2/07/2013 10:33 PM, Paul Curtis wrote:
>> ...but on the other side I hate
>> the tendency to throw insane power at simple tasks that don't need it.
> One assumes that this excludes motorsport? ;-)
>
> --
> Paul Curtis, Rowley Associates Ltd http://www.rowley.co.uk
> SolderCore Development Platform http://www.soldercore.com
>
there is no such thing as enough power in an F1 car Ecclestone has it
all wrong!.
Al
On 2/07/2013 10:33 PM, Paul Curtis wrote:
>> ...but on the other side I hate
>> the tendency to throw insane power at simple tasks that don't need it.
> One assumes that this excludes motorsport? ;-)
>
> --
> Paul Curtis, Rowley Associates Ltd http://www.rowley.co.uk
> SolderCore Development Platform http://www.soldercore.com
>
Reply by ●July 2, 20132013-07-02
Hi Al,
> But motorsport isn't a simple task, and NEEDS the power, especially F1,
> there is no such thing as enough power in an F1 car Ecclestone has it all
> wrong!.
My Elise doesn't NEED the power, but certainly I still contemplate shoving a Honda K20A in it... That is simple. :-)
--
Paul Curtis, Rowley Associates Ltd http://www.rowley.co.uk
SolderCore Development Platform http://www.soldercore.com
> But motorsport isn't a simple task, and NEEDS the power, especially F1,
> there is no such thing as enough power in an F1 car Ecclestone has it all
> wrong!.
My Elise doesn't NEED the power, but certainly I still contemplate shoving a Honda K20A in it... That is simple. :-)
--
Paul Curtis, Rowley Associates Ltd http://www.rowley.co.uk
SolderCore Development Platform http://www.soldercore.com
Reply by ●July 2, 20132013-07-02
There is never a point where a car doesn't NEED more power, the one
instance in life where there is no distinction between want and need.
Though my motoring aspirations are not what they were, from the heady
days of test drives in 956's and 962's to a company 935, and rental
Lambo', and even to the wifes GTi Pirelli, I go for comfort these days!
No longer do I welome the kick in the back, I'd rather have the heater
to relieve the arthritis!
No, not really, not while I still breathe! Give me that sensation of
lumbar dislocation as you do your anti-DVT circulation excercises on the
spring loaded excercise pedal (throttle)
My favourite car from my youth was a Ford CORSAIR V4, rebuilt from the
ground up with a Cosworth engine shoe horned into it. First time out the
brand new master cylinder failed going flat chat, Good old Halfords!
Also my first attempt at auto electronics with a very techy (for the
time) electronic ignition system.
Al
On 2/07/2013 11:20 PM, Paul Curtis wrote:
> Hi Al,
>
>> But motorsport isn't a simple task, and NEEDS the power, especially F1,
>> there is no such thing as enough power in an F1 car Ecclestone has it all
>> wrong!.
> My Elise doesn't NEED the power, but certainly I still contemplate shoving a Honda K20A in it... That is simple. :-)
>
> --
> Paul Curtis, Rowley Associates Ltd http://www.rowley.co.uk
> SolderCore Development Platform http://www.soldercore.com
>
>
instance in life where there is no distinction between want and need.
Though my motoring aspirations are not what they were, from the heady
days of test drives in 956's and 962's to a company 935, and rental
Lambo', and even to the wifes GTi Pirelli, I go for comfort these days!
No longer do I welome the kick in the back, I'd rather have the heater
to relieve the arthritis!
No, not really, not while I still breathe! Give me that sensation of
lumbar dislocation as you do your anti-DVT circulation excercises on the
spring loaded excercise pedal (throttle)
My favourite car from my youth was a Ford CORSAIR V4, rebuilt from the
ground up with a Cosworth engine shoe horned into it. First time out the
brand new master cylinder failed going flat chat, Good old Halfords!
Also my first attempt at auto electronics with a very techy (for the
time) electronic ignition system.
Al
On 2/07/2013 11:20 PM, Paul Curtis wrote:
> Hi Al,
>
>> But motorsport isn't a simple task, and NEEDS the power, especially F1,
>> there is no such thing as enough power in an F1 car Ecclestone has it all
>> wrong!.
> My Elise doesn't NEED the power, but certainly I still contemplate shoving a Honda K20A in it... That is simple. :-)
>
> --
> Paul Curtis, Rowley Associates Ltd http://www.rowley.co.uk
> SolderCore Development Platform http://www.soldercore.com
>
>
Reply by ●July 2, 20132013-07-02
Maybe all this drivel is why the group's traffic has decreased so
much…
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Yellow Springs, OH 45387 USA
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From: m... [mailto:m...] On Behalf Of Paul Curtis
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 9:51 AM
To: m...
Subject: RE: [msp430] Re: Is the MSP430 a dead end
Hi Al,
> But motorsport isn't a simple task, and NEEDS the power, especially F1,
> there is no such thing as enough power in an F1 car Ecclestone has it all
> wrong!.
My Elise doesn't NEED the power, but certainly I still contemplate shoving a Honda K20A in it... That is simple. :-)
--
Paul Curtis, Rowley Associates Ltd http://www.rowley.co.uk
SolderCore Development Platform http://www.soldercore.com
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From: m... [mailto:m...] On Behalf Of Paul Curtis
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 9:51 AM
To: m...
Subject: RE: [msp430] Re: Is the MSP430 a dead end
Hi Al,
> But motorsport isn't a simple task, and NEEDS the power, especially F1,
> there is no such thing as enough power in an F1 car Ecclestone has it all
> wrong!.
My Elise doesn't NEED the power, but certainly I still contemplate shoving a Honda K20A in it... That is simple. :-)
--
Paul Curtis, Rowley Associates Ltd http://www.rowley.co.uk
SolderCore Development Platform http://www.soldercore.com
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