8051 C Compiler

CBFalconer wrote:
  >
> How can someone reply to a properly bottom posted article with
> top-posting?  It seems to me that this takes amazing gall and
> rudeness.
> 
Thank You Mother CBFalconer.

Falconer.. ease up on the etiquette.. you do it in every friggin post. (top 
posted for your convenience)


 "CBFalconer" <cbfalconer@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
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> seba wrote:
>>
>> Excuse me.
>>
>> I'm looking for a compiler that generates best code in terms of speed
>> optimisation.
>> This compiler must have debugging tools too, for Analog Device ADUC
>> microcontrollers.
>>
>> Thanks in advance
>> seba
>>
>> "FreeRTOS.org" <noemail@gmail.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
>> news:fIWGg.7564$r61.5879@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>> > What are you talking about?
>> >
>> > Best price.
>> > Best code density.
>> > Best speed optimisation.
>> > Best support.
>> > Best debug tools.
>> > Most aesthetically appealing packaging.
>
> How can someone reply to a properly bottom posted article with
> top-posting?  It seems to me that this takes amazing gall and
> rudeness.
>
> -- 
> Chuck F (cbfalconer@yahoo.com) (cbfalconer@maineline.net)
>   Available for consulting/temporary embedded and systems.
>   <http://cbfalconer.home.att.net> USE maineline address!
>
> 

very low priced, but fast and including TCP/IP stack:
http://www.wickenhaeuser.de/

Franz

"seba" <seba@nospam> schrieb im Newsbeitrag 
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> <cbarn24050@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> C and 8051 are a very poor marriage especially it terms of speed.
>> Unless you have some overwheming reason to use both together find
>> another option.
>>
>
> I'm just looking for a list of C compilers compatible with Aduc8xx
> microcontrollers; I think I will use Keil compiler but, before starting
> development, I liked to know if there are good substitutes, other than
> Keil...
>
> seba
>
> 

Sorry Chuck,
    your SNR has gotten beyond a joke.  I really did appreciate your 
occasional pearls of wisdom as you do have a great wealth of knowledge and 
capacity to contribute, but every time I read this repetitive whining it 
upsets me too much, so I'm afraid I really have to block your posts, soon.

    Lighten up, mate.  The days of neck-to-knee bathing suits and 
penny-farthing bicycles are gone. Your fundamentalist intolerance of those 
to whom the literal interpretation of the commandments of usenet netiquette 
is no longer particularly relevant should join them.  Please give up your 
jihad.

Cheers,
Alf

> How can someone reply to a properly bottom posted article with
> top-posting?  It seems to me that this takes amazing gall and
> rudeness.
>
> -- 
> Chuck F (cbfalconer@yahoo.com) (cbfalconer@maineline.net)
>   Available for consulting/temporary embedded and systems.
>   <http://cbfalconer.home.att.net> USE maineline address!
>
> 

-- 

"Alf Katz" <alfkatz@iremove.the.bloody.obvious.ieee.org> wrote in message 
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> Sorry Chuck,
>    your SNR has gotten beyond a joke.  I really did appreciate your 
> occasional pearls of wisdom as you do have a great wealth of knowledge and 
> capacity to contribute, but every time I read this repetitive whining it


In the current politically correct climate, where one wishes to tolerate 
everybody and offend nobody, maybe we should adopt the practice of 'mid 
posting'. [yes I'm being silly]

Regards,
Richard.

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+ http://www.SafeRTOS.com
for Cortex-M3, ARM7, ARM9, HCS12, H8S, MSP430
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> upsets me too much, so I'm afraid I really have to block your posts, soon.
>
>    Lighten up, mate.  The days of neck-to-knee bathing suits and 
> penny-farthing bicycles are gone. Your fundamentalist intolerance of those 
> to whom the literal interpretation of the commandments of usenet 
> netiquette is no longer particularly relevant should join them.  Please 
> give up your jihad.
>
> Cheers,
> Alf
>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Hills" <chris@phaedsys.org>
Newsgroups: comp.arch.embedded
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 1:31 AM
Subject: Re: 8051 C Compiler


>>
>>I'm looking for a compiler that generates best code in terms of speed
>>optimisation.
>>This compiler must have debugging tools too, for Analog Device ADUC
>>microcontrollers.
>
> www.Keil.com
> www.IAR.com
>
>
Keil and IAR compilers are good, there's no doubt and their IDE's, debuggers 
snd associated applications are excellent.  They are priced appropriately 
for what you get, and I don't mind that.  However I won't buy them again 
because of their heavy handed license enforcement.  If they're not going to 
trust me to meet their license terms, I'm afraid I can't trust that they'll 
be co-operative if I need to move my license from one PC to another.  And 
the next time a company disappears when I'm using their product won't be the 
first, either.  I sympathise with their desire to protect their intellectual 
property, but it's cost them a number of purchases (8051 and ARM in the last 
year alone) from me.

For the 8051, for larger projects HiTech C (www.hitech.com.au) have been 
around for over 20 years and have a suite of C compilers.  While not dirt 
cheap, they're about 1/4 of the price of IAR or Keil and reasonably ANSI 
compliant.   For smaller projects, uC51 (www.wickenhaeuser.com) is good and 
very cheap, but falls down on expanded memory and management and management 
of limited resources (direct memory, bit memory, registers, etc).  All 4 
compilers are relatively similar in both code size and execution speed. 
Some do one thing better, some another.  Swings and roundabouts, really.

Cheers,
Alf 

"Alf Katz" <alfkatz@iremove.the.bloody.obvious.ieee.org> wrote in message 
news:44ed90f0$0$5109$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
> Sorry Chuck,
>    your SNR has gotten beyond a joke.

Was it ever that?

>  I really did appreciate your occasional pearls of wisdom as you do have a 
> great wealth of knowledge and capacity to contribute

hm

> but every time I read this repetitive whining it upsets me too much, so 
> I'm afraid I really have to block your posts, soon.

Well, you'll be blocking out a source of wisdom, then
No-one can stop you from that.
Stay dumb if you prefer, it's your freedom.

Alf Katz wrote:
> Sorry Chuck,
>     your SNR has gotten beyond a joke.  I really did appreciate your 
> occasional pearls of wisdom as you do have a great wealth of knowledge and 
> capacity to contribute, but every time I read this repetitive whining it 
> upsets me too much, so I'm afraid I really have to block your posts, soon.
> 
>     Lighten up, mate.  The days of neck-to-knee bathing suits and 
> penny-farthing bicycles are gone. Your fundamentalist intolerance of those 
> to whom the literal interpretation of the commandments of usenet netiquette 
> is no longer particularly relevant should join them.  Please give up your 
> jihad.
> 
> Cheers,
> Alf
> 

In the great Usenet tradition of complaining about complaints about 
complaints...

Top posting is a pain, especially in the middle of a thread.  So is 
inappropriate (or lack of) snipping and quoting, and lots of other rules 
of netiquette.  There are reasons for these rules, and serious 
newsgroups like this are more useful (both in real-time, and as an 
archived reference) if they are mostly followed (occasionally it is 
appropriate to break the rules - they are not absolute).

However, repeated complaints are also a pain.  The question is whether 
it is worth complaining, and whether any offenders pay attention, show 
due consideration for others, and learn from these posts.  In many 
cases, Chuck is talking to a wall, and the posters will get ignored by 
people who can't be bothered following the logic of the posts. 
Sometimes the poster is a genuinely polite person who is grateful for 
the advice, but unfortunately these are outnumbered by those who feel 
that since others ignore the rules, they too can ignore them.

mvh.,

David



>> How can someone reply to a properly bottom posted article with
>> top-posting?  It seems to me that this takes amazing gall and
>> rudeness.
>>
>> -- 
>> Chuck F (cbfalconer@yahoo.com) (cbfalconer@maineline.net)
>>   Available for consulting/temporary embedded and systems.
>>   <http://cbfalconer.home.att.net> USE maineline address!
>>
>>
> 
> 

> Well, you'll be blocking out a source of wisdom, then
> No-one can stop you from that.
> Stay dumb if you prefer, it's your freedom.

Well, that's a real clever statement. Whooo.
....Please let this Chuck stop man. Hire him so he has something useful to 
do. 

preceding text.
at least make your text move away from the
If you insist on top posting (as is your right),

Alf Katz wrote:
> Sorry Chuck,
>     your SNR has gotten beyond a joke.  I really did appreciate your
> occasional pearls of wisdom as you do have a great wealth of knowledge and
> capacity to contribute, but every time I read this repetitive whining it
> upsets me too much, so I'm afraid I really have to block your posts, soon.
>
>     Lighten up, mate.  The days of neck-to-knee bathing suits and
> penny-farthing bicycles are gone. Your fundamentalist intolerance of those
> to whom the literal interpretation of the commandments of usenet netiquette
> is no longer particularly relevant should join them.  Please give up your
> jihad.
>
> Cheers,
> Alf
>
> > How can someone reply to a properly bottom posted article with
> > top-posting?  It seems to me that this takes amazing gall and
> > rudeness.
> >
> > --
> > Chuck F (cbfalconer@yahoo.com) (cbfalconer@maineline.net)
> >   Available for consulting/temporary embedded and systems.
> >   <http://cbfalconer.home.att.net> USE maineline address!
> >
> >